[quote]I’m going to go back to putting the finishing touches on the new Subclasses and trying to figure out how I can make Blink less frustrating to fight against. People keep showing up at my desk asking me when I’m going to remove Blink from the game, and I don’t want to do that, so back to the drawing board!
-From the desk of Jon Weisnewski[/quote]
Dear Jon,
You've made quite an impression on these forums the last couple of days and I'm not quite sure it was the splash you had intended. While I'm sure there are a lot of Guardians who'd like to have a word with you about that, today I'd like to talk to you about the comment above and problem solving not just in a sandbox, but in the real world as well.
Without going too in depth (you or anyone else at Bungie can find my thoughts at any time under the tag #bumpfortruth) I have always posited that when you all decided to allow us to use our own weapons, armor and unique class abilities in PvP, you were creating an experience in which there may occasionally be items or abilities that give advantages in situations. Weapons like Vex and Thorn might be powerful, Arcblade may be destructive, but that the overall depth of the arsenals at our disposal means that we have a multitude of ways to counter anything thrown at us.
I'm taking this from a reply I gave to a post in which the OP was upset with Blink users and insinuating they were all scrubs and Blink is broken. It's the kind of post I assume you are referring to in your statement and honestly, by what I've seen so far, the solution you may come up with worries the hell out of me. Not because I use Blink, I don't. But because like Vex, Suros, Thorn, ARs, Black Hammer, etc, etc... I'm worried you're looking for a solution to a problem that may not lay completely in the weapon or ability.
So here is something to think about when contemplating problem solving in a sandbox. One of the basic tenets of competition is that, in order to asses the strengths and advantages of an opponent, we must first understand what we ourselves are capable of and where we fall short. Here is my reply to that post:
[quote]I get you're frustrated dying to players using Blink, but coming onto the forums and talking shit to everyone who uses it kinda makes you look like a sore loser.
If you're willing to take some advice, there's a pretty effective way to counter Blink but to counter it, you have to understand it.
While Blink allows the user to teleport forward in place of a jump, it does come with some drawbacks. The biggest consequence and the most relevant to anyone facing it, is that for the distance of the Blink the Hunter/Warlock is essentially blind.
The second drawback that is relevant to killing them is that they can't Blink more than twice in a row without hitting a cooldown.
The last thing to understand is that 99% of the time someone is using Blink, they're going to be headed forward or up.
So what people need to do is think about that and what it means and try to form a strategy to counter it.
It's easy to just hop on a forum and say nerf Blink, but look where that thought process has gotten us.
So we know that our opponents can Blink and that makes them a bitch to hit, but we also know that they are momentarily Blind, can only Blink twice and are generally headed one of two directions.
So what can we do to use that to our advantage?
The answer is as simple as one button press.
JUMP.
We've been doing it since Mario, so we know how it works. Press A and jump into the air.
When our enemy Blinks, they do so with the assumption that they are going to teleport, but you are going to be in relatively your same position when they get to the other side. If in that instant they're blind, you jump... "Holy f**k, where'd they go??"
You just bogarted their Blink.
And by either using jump abilities that allow you to move in the air or by jumping consecutively, even if they Blink again you have the advantage and they're screwed after the second Blink.
And by knowing what direction their Blink is taking them, it allows you to equip a close range weapon like a Fusion Rifle to melt them as they reappear or to drop on them with a shotgun.
Is it perfect? No. Some maps work better than others. Shores? You'll kill Blinkers for days. Close quarters map like the Anomaly, advantage them.
The point is that if people were willing to accept a little personal accountability and ask themselves if they're dying because of a weapon or because they could be better or know a map better or know their class and abilities better, people might find that there are a lot more great weapons and abilities and ways to succeed in this game than they thought.
Just something to consider the next time you're in the Crucible.[/quote]
I hope this is something you read and take to heart Mr. Weisnewski and I hope you never change Blink.
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Finally a reasonable post in this forum. Thanks for taking the time write what I feel regarding these never-ending nerfing cycles.
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Bumping , waiting to see the outcome ..
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Edited by alcatraz669: 7/19/2015 3:23:34 AMBlink is truly unbalanced......
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No. Nerf the piss out of blink. Teleporting laggers is like the #1 most annoying thing possible in video games, so why hand out the ability for everybody to use? Not only is it obnoxious because it let's them teleport behind you, but like amhustler says, it makes you invincible. Grenade stuck to your face? No problem, just use blink and it won't kill you. Rocket about to slam into you? Just use blink and you won't take any damage at all. It's not even all that useful as an actual jump, it's just a way to get cheap kills and survive things you shouldn't be able to.
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Edited by Kayvaaan: 7/19/2015 3:05:32 AMhttps://www.reddit.com/r/CruciblePlaybook/comments/3bb6rc/am_i_hurting_myself_by_neglecting_blink/ What I got from this link: Use blink to get better in crucible. So everyone should use blink vs other jumps. Kinda like how everyone should use thorn/TLW vs 1000 guns in game. Edit: Several guides on how to play a certain class w/ access to blink: https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/35grdf/question_best_hunter_blade_dancer_build_for_pvp/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2hay7w/my_blade_dancer_pvp_build_by_request/ https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/137463889/0/0 https://www.bungie.net/en-US/Forum/Post/102563651/0/0 The point of the link shows why people should use blink over double jump/glide.
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Edited by Aqua: 7/18/2015 10:51:03 PMI read this, but remembered this video. Yeah, something is definitely wrong.
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Funny how balancing is getting progressively worse. This is why
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My thoughts on blink regard the fact that anything in the crucible should be counterable, and therefore the user can be held accountable for their own death (within reason.) I feel this falls in line with Thorn killing in 10th's of a second, TLW ADS glitches, and stacked Hawkmoon rounds. If you come around a corner just in time for someone to reappear from a blink and shotgun-labotomize you, there's no counter for that. If you'd arrived earlier maybe, but at that moment there was not a thing you could do. Or you post up at C on exodus and someone blink-shotguns their up the vertical passageways and you're left as a confused pile of gore that another player's now knee-deep in. As a hunter, whom can cloak almost at will, blink is a huge tactical advantage when one of the most common pieces of advice is "pay attention to your radar." However, I haven't the slightest idea how to change it without altering the fundamental reason people take it in the first place. Maybe have a particle effect at the "exit point" of the blink, that's the closest I can come up with that doesn't give a distinct advantage to the opposition. I don't want to see the classes change. But I would like them to be altered a bit. Personally I feel this issue is with classes not being diverse enough, and the possibilities of the separate classes not being fully realized. One of my favorite conversations about Destiny was what I and others thought the third subclasses might be. I'm pretty disappointed they didn't take an opportunity to actually cement some class based mechanics, or squad based even. No real life fireteam would do anything without planning and strategy, I feel like there's a whole realm of possibility that's not being tapped in this game. But that's offtopic and entirely more immersive than "should blink be removed?" And the short answer is no. Blink should be adapted to. But it should also be more [u]adaptable[/u]
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Good post. But you've posted a good point to the problem: close-quarters maps. I haven't played Destiny for a couple months, but I remember that blink could be frustrating to play against because it has great mobility in close to mid range gameplay, but it was manageable. As a Titan, it takes time to travel from point A to point B. Blink is instant. Both jumps are predictable based on previous movements. So this is where class attributes begin to really take shape. Titan should be able to sustain more damage to compensate for the lack of that mobility. Is this the case? Do attributes really effect gameplay to balance things out depending on different play styles? I don't know. I haven't ran any tests for this. But this is what I would check out. Cuz personally, I think Blink is perfectly fine in it's animation and distance traveled.
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Edited by Boomstick1911: 7/18/2015 11:59:41 PMAs good as this argument is, you have to remember that we are dealing with a [b]publisher[/b] [i]that is infamous for trying to appease the worst of community minorities.[/i] If you go back and look at Call of Duty Black Ops 2 and Advnaced Warfare, Advanced Warfrae was far more appealing than Black Ops 2. Why? It's because Black Ops 2, per Activision, was catered to a MINUSCULE percentage of players.
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Edited by J Stevensontown: 7/18/2015 9:16:58 PMI don't use blink, and I don't think it should be touched. I think less people complain, than the amount of people who actually don't have a problem with it, or know how to counter. We just stay quiet and have fun playing.. I can't believe how bungie addresses issues, catering to the complainers so much.. Before we know it everything in the game will change for the worse, and the main focus is on problems will always be there, not getting taken care of
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I never use blink but know others need that crutch. The following statement is simply the way I feel this game is going. Please Nerf everything so you can lose so many players that maybe, just maybe you will fix your game bungie. I won't hold my breath.
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I applaud your level headed argument but blink is too easy to use. Blink makes the tactical advantages of your opponents null and void. I see people all the time blink past corners and over low cover to escape from fights they should lose. I have more of an issue with its defensive capabilities, honestly. How do you track a target that can teleport in any direction? Shotguns have inflamed the blink problem but once that's sorted the offensive utility of blink will be reduced to balanced. Blink saves people from suppers and rockets and bullets. I might think differently if Titans had it too (I have all three)
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Edited by KiLLaFromTheBay: 7/18/2015 10:44:12 PMI've seen enemies being clearly stuck with magnetic and fusion grenades and survive. I've had teammates during a match say they just blinked out if being stuck by those grenades. I've also seen how easy it is for people to avoid rockets while blinking. Lost Sol, I'm very curious to hear what you have to say about this.
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Bump!!!
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Where did that quote come from?
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Blink is lovely for PvE. I don't like blink as part of a PvP landscape. Then again, I don't like any sort of multi-jump, float, jetpack nonsense in PvP. Halo was trash. I'd love it if blink was chopped from Destiny. That said, it shouldn't be. This game isn't about PvP balance. This game is about PvE, even though there isn't much PvE out there.
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You made good points, but I feel like you left out a important part of why we don't like blink so much. IT MAKES YOU INVINCIBLE. I've had my fair share of rockets and supers being reduced to a shriveling nothing because a hunter was mid-blink. I could deal with everything else though if they fixed that.
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The fact that it has a cool down makes it too frusturating for me.
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counter to blink-shotguns..........walk backwards with a shotgun :)
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Bumping for truth!
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Outstanding!! Another well thought out post that is well written and not only addresses a problem but provides a viable solution! You, good sir, have once again outdone yourself :-)