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Edited by XcEvilGenius: 7/24/2015 11:05:44 PM
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Spreading the Truth About Cheaters is NOT prohibited by the Code of Conduct or Terms of Use

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[b]Edit: you can spread the Truth about cheaters in destiny but you can in no way use there name or anything related to them when doing so. :) my bad...lol. what can i say, i'm Human :D[/b] you are wrong Achronos... Harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker. (See: harass, sexual harassment) http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/harassment Harassment has nothing to do with shaming unless you consider shaming the same thing as Defamation since it is in the terms of service [quote]you will not: Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others.[/quote] this however has nothing to do with cheaters or us posting about them. it is the [u]TRUTH[/u] when players have actual Video of the cheaters. we do so to spread awareness. nothing wrong in that. in order for anyone to Defame someone it[u] must be Slander or intentional False Communication. [/u][b]Having video proof of a cheater does not fit into this category what so ever. [/b] do not believe me? you don;t have to. here is the PROOF. Defame: To damage the reputation, character, or good name of (someone) by slander or libel. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/defame Slander: n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. Damages (payoff for worth) for slander may be limited to actual (special) damages unless there is malicious intent, since such damages are usually difficult to specify and harder to prove. Some statements such as an untrue accusation of having committed a crime, having a loathsome disease, or being unable to perform one's occupation are treated as slander per se since the harm and malice are obvious, and therefore usually result in general and even punitive damage recovery by the person harmed. Words spoken over the air on television or radio are treated as libel (written defamation) and not slander on the theory that broadcasting reaches a large audience as much if not more than printed publications. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slander Defamation: An Intentional False Communication, Either Written or Spoken, that harms a person's reputation; Decreases there Respect, regard, or confidence in which a person is held; or induces Disparaging, Hostile or Disagreeable opinions or feelings against a person. Defamation may be a criminal or civil charge. It encompasses both written statements, known as libel, and spoken statements, called slander. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/defamation Libel: to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact, and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue. Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for "general damages" for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called "special damages." "Libel per se" involves statements so vicious that malice is assumed and does not require a proof of intent to get an award of general damages. Libel against the reputation of a person who has died will allow surviving members of the family to bring an action for damages. Most states provide for a party defamed by a periodical to demand a published retraction. If the correction is made, then there is no right to file a lawsuit. Governmental bodies are supposedly immune for actions for libel on the basis that there could be no intent by a non-personal entity, and further, public records are exempt from claims of libel. However, there is at least one known case in which there was a financial settlement as well as a published correction when a state government newsletter incorrectly stated that a dentist had been disciplined for illegal conduct. The rules covering libel against a "public figure" (particularly a political or governmental person) are special, based on U. S. Supreme Court decisions. The key is that to uphold the right to express opinions or fair comment on public figures, the libel must be malicious to constitute grounds for a lawsuit for damages. Minor errors in reporting are not libel, such as saying Mrs. Jones was 55 when she was only 48, or getting an address or title incorrect. 2) v. to broadcast or publish a written defamatory statement. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel Libel Per Se: broadcast or written publication of a false statement about another which accuses him/her of a crime, immoral acts, inability to perform his/her profession, having a loathsome disease (like syphilis), or dishonesty in business. Such claims are considered so obviously harmful that malice need not be proved to obtain a judgment for "general damages," and not just specific losses. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel%20per%20se as you can read, posting the truth about cheaters does not fall into these categories since it is not a lie or false or being done to intentionally harm a person. we do it not to harm, nay we do it only to inform our fellow guardians of the events taking place in Destiny. being well informed allows anyone to make a better choice. with that being said you need to stop removing post notifying the community of cheaters. in order for players//Dev theams to make the best decision on what to do they need to be informed. not informing players or The Dev team/bungie will lead to wrong decisions being made, and we all know how you make wrong moves most of the time Bungie/the Dev team. you really want to pull another one?

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  • Edited by Lost Sols: 7/22/2015 10:03:26 PM
    I have agreed with you on a hundred posts and we've fought Bungie on matchmaking for a couple months now, but I cannot condone or accept this post. 1) Achronos wasn't being disrespectful, he was being humorous. There's a difference between poking a little fun at someone you're directly replying to and going onto a forum and accusing someone who isn't in the thread of cheating. 2) You can't name and shame because it is defamation. [quote]de·fame \di-ˈfām, dē-\verb : to hurt the reputation of (someone or something) especially by saying things that are false or unfair Full Definition de·famedde·fam·ing transitive verb 1 archaic :disgrace 2 :to harm the reputation of by libel or slander 3 archaic :accuse — de·fam·er noun Examples He says he was defamed by reports that falsely identified him as a former gangster.<of course I want to win the election, but I refuse to defame my opponent in order to do so [/quote] 3) For all the people saying stupid shit like Achronos named and shamed the op of that thread or ninjas name and shame by removing nasty posts... [b]Telling someone they're wrong isn't defamation. Telling the world someone did something wrong without proof is.[/b] Videos of people lagging don't prove they're cheating as much as you might think it. And as far as videos go, you can 100% put up videos of people you think are cheating, what you can't do is name them in the post and call them cheaters. The fact is that all the people that others want to say are lag switching, etc probably just have a shitty internet connection going. It happens and yeah it sucks playing them, but the real problem is Bungie not ponying up for dedicated servers. If your interpretation of defamation is correct then if you put up 40 kills sniping and headshot me 15 times in a game, I can put up a video and call you a cheater. Did you cheat? Probably not, but YOU'RE A CHEATER! 4) For f**ks sake people, Achronos is literally the only Bungie employee willing to actually discuss shit with the community and you treat him like this? I'm all for holding Bungie to a high standard, but there need to be rules in place in life and boundaries. I've poked at DeeJ and called him out on numerous occasions, but that's because I don't believe he's doing enough for or with this community and that's supposed to be his job. All this Achronos hate is taking shit too far. I'd like to hear anyone tell me how he disrespected the op in that thread. Forums have boundaries and they have rules. Naming and shaming is about as clearcut as they get. Achronos deserves an apology from this community. Edit: If anyone think people are cheating, report them in game, that's what the function is there for. The forums are not for calling everyone who kills us with Thorn a cheater.

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    • Edited by Lost Sols: 7/22/2015 11:17:48 PM
      [quote]here's how he was unprofessional and took his response too far (and I'll paraphrase quotes) since you requested such: "...we follow Bungies code of conduct, not MattP14's." if you removed "not MattP14's policy" is his point not made? does that have ANY affect on the message he delivered? absolutely not. it should have remained nothing more than "we follow Bungies code of conduct".[/quote] I'm sorry, but that's pretty tame. So what if he used his gt? He's replying to him. Could he have substituted "ours" and "yours"? I suppose, but I don't see what difference it makes. He made a point and if that comment hurt the op's feelings, he's in for a rough life. [quote]by adding and personalizing Matts user name he took a jab at the attempt Matt made to dissect the language within the agreement which isn't as transparent as it ought to be.[/quote] He used the op's name. He was replying to the op. [quote]to add further to the firestorm he said Matt bent the language to his will.[/quote] That's his opinion, it's a forum where we all give opinions. Achronos is entitled to his as well and seriously? Firestorm? We've bantered back and forth and it's always been positive, but you cannot tell me that you honestly believe that was hurtful. [quote]whether he did or didn't (a judge could tell us better than any community member) it was, again, completely unnecessary to chirp about. .[/quote] What was completely unnecessary was the op's completely stupid and wrong post in which he tried to bend the wording of the code of conduct to his own. You can't go onto a forum and name and shame. If he can't accept it, he needs to gtfoff the forums. If I go on a 15 kill streak or I melee a Bladedancer using Arcblade and kill them, I know I don't want them posting videos calling me a cheater or making posts about me being one. Videos can show sketchy gameplay, but unless it's showing people throwing rockets like grenades like modders used to do in Halo, they're not proving anything.

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      • the video in question was a player DANCING in the control point during the 10 second countdown while being completely impenetrable. I suppose you have a defense as to why that's not cheating. I'd love to hear it. seriously...enlighten me. the fact is achronos used, extensively, poor verbiage to relay his message. he doesn't get an apology for being an idiot (not am I defending Matt). he could've made a well thought out post that [i]eliminated the possibility[/i] of being offensive. we can agree on that I'm sure. again, why does he need an apology if he should've approached the situation differently?

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