When you used to push the templar off the cliff with grenades? Gtfoh, that's not pain..
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Indeed, for a while. But they fixed the Atheon push quickly and even Templar well before TDB came out. So given drop rates a lot (like me) were doing hard VoG three times a week with blue weapons and no cheese. Didn't even know about sniping oracles / Templar at that point.
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I'll agree with that, made it to atheon the week before they patched it. Then had to learn the real way.. With a legendary pulse rifle as my only decent weapon.