Just a week or two ago, I was running VOG on my wife's account trying to get found verdict for her. Ran 6 VOG (normal then hard) all with lfg. It started at the top and quickly fell like a rock getting progressively worse each new run. First normal...a breeze, second....manageable but I wondered why 5 other 34s wanted to do confluxes, oracles, and templar from the top platform, on normal. Third.....utter chaos, 34s dieing frequently, asking to do everything from the top, spent 20 min convincing them to leave for gorgon just so I could get through it because they did not understand the concept of don't run or jump (not needed in normal), and then spent another 20 min waiting at the bottom of the jump maze waiting for them (all 34s mind you). Then on gatekeeper, only the two relic holders (myself as one) survived the center defense and even that almost didn't make it as the other relic holder died, thank god it was just after we cleared it. On atheon, multiple wipes as multiple times relic was dropped or no one picked it up. It is unbelievable some of the groups you find yourself in. Since crotas end I think I've only been a part of 4 groups (out of probably 70 or so runs) that would do the bridge part legit. Really kills raiding.

I agree with all of that but the end. The bridge is still hard on hard mode. That boomer will destroy you if you don't take him out, and since he seems to spawn randomly at times, it can get you. But I agree about the cheesing or wiping on vault to sit up top on normal. We actually sat at the bottom on hard just to keep from getting rusty.

I should have specified, I'm talking about crota bridge on normal, every time......every time. I've been in some groups I ask, "everyone know what they are doing here before we start?" Them: "yea, let's do it. I've done this tons of times." Moments later full wipe. No one bothered to stand on the outside plates..."oh, I didn't know you had to do that." Facepalm. Hard mode can be dificult, more so on crota with all the bugs it had, some still exist randomly. However I believe hard mode is as hard as you make it on yourself, or your team makes it. One day I was just trying to do atheon hard, it was a complete clusterf***, bunch of guys that claimed to be experienced (before HoW think I was a 31?), "man hard mode is hard".....bailed on that group, found another where everyone there pretty much experienced the same thing. We got in almost beat it on first try, had one guy die early on accident and teleport got screwed up. Second run, done, took less than 10 minutes, in and out.

Bro, i had 2 lvl 34s with me yesterday on Sepiks Prime that didn't shoot the spider tanks legs!

Oh god that reminded me I joined an lfg group. All 34s... I was the only one who knew what to do... I was like whaaaaaaaaaat????? We spent 1.5 hours on confluxes. I wanted to teach them but the 5 sqeekers would not listen and kept stuffing around. After 3 hours I raged"GOOD -blam!-IN LUCK FINISHING THIS KIDS!!!" selected leave party and Multiplayer... Lmao

I know im not the only one!!! I think this is the reason why bungie never put on matchmaking in raid..