I will apologize. Have serious anger issues. I take it out on the wrong people sometimes, sorry Guardian. Anyway, so these two Guardians are the undisputed best? I just find that hard to believe because as soon as they are slated the best you will have 40 other Guardians claiming to be better is all. I will never use the Thorn period, lol. I'm way too bad at PvP to get the bounty complete.