I tried real hard, and thought I was plainly stating that I wasn't comparing Destiny to any specific game (like all the 'X-game will kill Destiny threads) not at all what I was trying to say. Yeah, you're right, I'm a little over Destiny, but I will be the first to admit I've had great fun playing, it's a fun addictive shooter with a mild amount of character customization. I base my statements on what I've seen, which is: I started Destiny with ZERO XBL friends, by about the 2nd month i had added at least a hundred, and maybe half or slightly more than half played daily like me, (friends list playing about 2-3 pages long), but by the time TDB had been out for about a month I had to constantly add people to keep the active friends list a half page long. When HoW came out, the first week my active friends was about 5 pages!! Because most like me, bought the season pass on day 1, and felt obliged to play it thru at least a couple times since we all paid for it already. Nowadays, I'm back to a half page active players, and I'm steadily adding randoms from PuG and strikes. TTK isn't the season pass.... Anyways, game just seems pretty divided amongst younger-crowd CoD/halo/competitive shootemup types, and older crowd RPG/MMO/mass effect/KOTOR/Skyrim types. Most notably, Fallout 4 is going to siphon off the older crowd, but the younger crowd may well migrate more to battlefront...who knows really. Point is, the verdict has been out in what Destiny is and isn't for some time and TTK won't change that. Oh, and I'm a one game at a time kinda person. I've only been playing Destiny the whole past year. In that time, I've only played Destiny with exactly one person I know in real life. For me, even if I decide to buy TTK a week or so after its out, come November 10th, I won't be playing Destiny anymore.