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Edited by Malphisto: 9/5/2015 10:00:49 AM
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Your Argument is INVALID... (Making Year 1 Legendary Weapons and Armor Obsolete)

They made the entire first year of this game completely pointless and a giant waste of time. You spent how many hours playing to get Legendary/Raid Weapons and Armor? You spent how many hours getting Etheric Light to ascend gear? You spent how many hours farming resource nodes in patrols? GRIND GRIND GRIND GRIND GRIND!!! Destiny was nothing but a Grind. This is how they justified their lack of content. This is the excuse people who defended the game would use when people said the game was boring and lacked content. They needed a way to keep YOU and ME engaged with the game past the fail story missions, so what did they do? They made it a "Loot Driven Game" with RNG designed so that players WANT to spend hours and hours going back and redoing the SAME ACTIVITIES over and over and over and over again for the SOLE PURPOSE of acquiring enough Vanguard/Crucible Marks to get those Legendary Weapons and Armor from the vendors. For the SOLE PURPOSE of going through and beating the Vault of Glass and Crota's End to get that Raid Only stuff. And why? Why did people do this? Because the vast majority believed what they were told. Believed that it wasn't a waste of time. The Dark Below was a precursor to this, and many quit the game as a result when they tried doing it then as well. It should be no surprise that people would be pissed off, because they already attempted this and everyone had the exact same reaction to it before. That's why they introduced Etheric Light in House of Wolves, and that is the main primary reason for many who decided to come back to Destiny. But its just a huge slap to the face, though. Regardless. Because even after they give us Etheric Light, which became the center focus of HoW for the Prison of Elders? They now suddenly decide that they're going to take that away and no longer continue doing it going forward. Really? And they don't expect people to be pissed off or rather they are confused that there is such strong negativity towards all of it? Basically, TTK is entirely a different game from what we got. The video above details this perfectly. Year 1 just never happened. Bungie is just sweeping that shit under the rug. Which is fine, that's whatever. I agree, the first year of Destiny was a piece of garbage and should be burned and pissed on. But what about all of us morons who spent $100+ on it? What do WE get out of all that? They -blam!-ed up, they made all these mistakes and had all these problems with the game. So why do WE have to suffer for it? Why do WE get screwed over because of it? TTK would not have even been if not for us who paid into the franchise already, and yet nothing is really being done for us. We're being disrespected in the most assholish way possible by Bungie/Activision. That Year 1 Triumphs thing isn't worth shit. An Emblem? Don't care. A black Shader and Sparrow? What good are those? Those are cosmetic items that generally ALWAYS get replaced by something else. Prime example, I have the God of War shader which I love, why would I replace that? For some vain attempt to try and garner respect from total strangers new to the game? No, that's silly. I want continued ascension. This shouldn't even be up for debate. You put Etheric Light in and people were still grinding and getting the new weapons and armor for both Dark Below and House of Wolves DESPITE having the ability to further upgrade their old shit. [b]SO QUITE CLEARLY PEOPLE WILL STILL USE NEW WEAPONS AND ARMOR EVEN WITH BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE ASCENDING THEIR OLD SHIT.[/b] We ALSO see [b]PROOF[/b] that you can in fact add to the replay value of activities by using Gear Ascension as a mechanic for such. People WILL spend hours taking on very difficult challenges to be able to do so. There is nothing at all wrong with this and it obviously gives people more shit to do in the game. How is that a [i]BAD[/i] thing? You can be excited for TTK all you want. The problem here is Bungie's decisions regarding Year 1 content and how they are basically eliminating any sense of true progression by not respecting the amount of time and effort invested in the game. Fact is, YES, this DOES actually matter and YES, this IS a big deal to MANY players who WILL be quitting the game because of this and only further destroy the game's reputation along with that of Bungie who clearly don't give two shits about player feedback like they claim that they do. You all remember this interview? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3DLTPQwB10 Fast forward to 4:27 where DeeJ talks about increasing Vault space because they acknowledge players want to be collectors and hold onto their stuff. That you can bring the Guardian you've created with you into Destiny 2 and going forward. Hate to tell you this, Bungie, BUT THAT INCLUDES OUR GEAR AS WELL! God -blam!-ing DAMMIT MAN! WHY DO YOU MAKE IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY THIS GAME!? SERIOUSLY! YOU ARE YOUR GREATEST OBSTACLE FOR DESTINY! You take one step forward and then two steps back. And it wasn't even YOU who announced this, instead we gotta find out from Game Informer? What the -blam!- is that all about? You ask us for our feedback, we give it to you and then what happens? We get Weekly Updates where YOU tell US how WE feel about things. You guys are putting out a shit ton of weapons. Good for you, here's a cookie. People are going to obviously go out and get that shit REGARDLESS of still being able to continue ascending all their old shit. The [b]POINT[/b] is that it [b]NEEDS TO BE A CHOICE THAT PLAYERS MAKE ON THEIR OWN NOT SOMETHING THAT IS DECIDED FOR THEM![/b] Period. [b]EDIT: As anyone can see looking through these comments, its a very divided subject. However, as I have pointed out to others? Continued Gear Ascension does not, in any way, shape or form hinder TTK or prevent players from getting and using the new stuff. Players will do so either way regardless. And when I ask people "would it really bother you if Year 1 weapons and armor could still ascend?" most generally don't respond to that or actually answer with "no, it wouldn't bother them" and of course it wouldn't. It wouldn't bother ANYONE because we ALREADY WENT THROUGH IT WITH HOUSE OF WOLVES. Etheric Light was done, its real, it happened. It didn't bother anyone, it didn't hurt the game in the least and a vast majority of players reacted quite positively to it. It won't hurt TTK. The only way it WILL hurt TTK is if you don't include it. Because people WILL leave. People WILL stop playing. You think that is silly? Screw you, that is YOUR opinion and obviously not how everyone else thinks. And THAT is the problem here, other people being arrogant and self-centered enough to think that they have a right to dictate how others should feel or think about something. That is WRONG, no matter how you look at it. YOU MUST RESPECT HOW OTHERS FEEL. There are many who have legitimate reasons for wanting to keep ascending their old stuff. It is THEIR RIGHT to feel that way. Deal with it. EDIT #2: For those asking, yes I have seen the IGN Interview with DeeJ. No, my opinion has not changed. It is insulting that Bungie's response to us about this is that "those weapons will always have a place for use in VOG" which is total bullshit. No one is going to keep and use the Fatebringer in Vault of Glass when there are other weapons that will have a higher damage value. More damage will always automatically mean making less stronger weapons obsolete by comparison. Old Legendary Weapons and Armor need to be able to continue ascending. That is how many of us feel, and that is not going to change. End of story.[/b]

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  • Welcome to an MMO ish RPG I hope you enjoy your stay!

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    • It's so painfully obvious you've never played anything other than an fps before. Leaving old gear behind is something all MMOs and RPGs do when new content drops. Frankly, I'm surprised they let us ascend in HoW.

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      • I like your post and agree with most of it. Destiny is a joke man, has been since launch. They are obviously in it for the money. Of which they shall be no longer receiving any of mine. Don't forget though, Activison is a huge root of the terrible games in the industry.

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        • I agree 100% whole heartedly! I will not be purchasing TTK due to this unfortunate development. C-ya

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        • I agree.

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        • BUMP

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        • Not reading past the first paragraph. Simply put your reason for playing isnt best suited for destiny. Your playing to grind for the weapons and armour. Others play to actually enjoy the content. Simply put bungie is making a game for people to enjoy its content. People who are collectors are not there priority.

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          • Jesus. I read that whole thing. You really went all out on this bait

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          • Year one was not wasted lmao. Anyone who thinks that doesn't understand actually progressing in a game. As of now we haven't been progressing, it's been a complete standstill for the last year. Once I got to lvl 26 I don't feel any stronger than I am now at lvl 34. That's because it was solely based on the level of the gear. You said Bungie has take one step forward and two steps back. I would argue that they have taken one step back so they can take multiple steps forward. This is how the progression should have been to begin with. Any game you play you must part ways with your beloved weapons at some point. Whether it be Destiny, Skyrim, Borderlands, or any MMO. You can't expect the weapons and amour you earned at level 20 to be on par with the ones earned at 30, and so on and so on. Vanilla weapons shouldn't be as good as TTK weapons. That would halt progression as I won't have to do much to reach max level. HoW I had all 3 of my characters at lvl 34 on the very first day. I should have to level up my character and then get better gear. Not just use some magic light to make it stronger. But this goes to show that you can't please everyone. Even if they allowed you to ascend your weapons and amour, do you think they would do it with Etheric light? No because so many people have a surplus amount of Etheric light in storage. I haven't done any PoE or Trials in little over a month and still have too much Etheric light because it's extremely easy to get. Any decent player can get over 10 a week without including the random drop chance of the NF... They would implement a new currency thus making Etheric light pointless, like they did with ascendant and radiant material.

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            • Keep spreading hate. The game is great cant wait to get out with old and in with the new. MMO and RPG games require you to level up find gear and replace it with better gear. Just like outgrowing a pair of jeans, you just get a new one.

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              • Awe poor muffin :(

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              • They're not forcing you to delete it. I assume you never played an mmo type game, where after expansions some green level items are better than legendary/purple. Do some research... I don't agree with everything bungie does but seeing ppl explode over this is ridiculous. It's no different in any other mmo/rpg. This is not CoD. But please go back to CoD. Side note: not buying the expansion.

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                • Edited by kI q dread p: 8/5/2015 11:33:58 PM
                  Wow you want the game to last longer but you want to keep old weapons and ascend them to last you forever then what's the point of looking for new weapons? And no they said you can bring YOUR GUARDIAN that refers to strictly your guardian just your guardian.

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                  • Edited by Unforgiven: 8/6/2015 12:29:56 AM
                    Guys... Guys.. Are you ready? Going Super Saiyan! [b][u]BOLDED[/u] CAPS LOCK INITIATED! THE CRUISE CONTROL FOR AWESOME! ;) [/b]

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                    • Agreed

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                    • Malphisto! Have a bump.

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                    • Bump bump! What bungi is doing is -blam!-ing retarded

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                    • OMG SHUT THE -blam!- UP!!! Some people grew tired of the repetitive grind. I'm glad there is some serious change happening cause the game was already dying. Yes, the beginning of the game the grind was entertaining but as the game progressed the grind was getting old. Either put up or shut up cause I don't care either way.

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                      • Yawn, I'd say you have put hundreds of hours into this game and if you didn't have fun along the way you weren't playing it right. Get keen for the new guns WOW makes all armour and weapons pretty much obsolete when a new expansions drops. It's about making the game fresh Anyway this thread is invalid you can't stop what's happening Bring on the new content and the new guns! Or you could always find a new game there's plenty coming out.

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                        • This is why the Taken King will be my last purchase from Bungie. Legendary vendor weapons don't matter to me but the raid ones do and I feel they should be ascend-able for a lack of a better word. Well, now I don't see much reason to do PoE anymore.

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                        • I'd like comment on the ongoing posts about year 1 gear and weapons. I feel that my year one stuff and the endless hours to grind out every penny of value out of all my guns even up to the current dlc should not be phased out but included in the continued evolution of the game. It's as if you take some one who purchased an old classic muscle car, fixed it up, and then tell that you are not going to be able to use it in a race because of its age and outdated mechanics. I now feel like I simply have two options: 1. Get TTK and start almost from scratch and throw out all my currently collected goodies, or 2. Make the choice not to purchase the new game and just bench myself from playing destiny with my very large group of in game friends with my 400+ hours of game time. What is the point in the last dlc to get us all excited about reviving old, non-obtainable, vanilla gear and weapons, (as well as current weapons), to the new standard of 365 and higher light levels, only to trash everything in six months, not to mention the need for more vault space. If you wanted a fresh start completely then you may want to just make another game in my opinion, not dismantle the already very successful one you have already built. - Sincerely Concerned

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                          • Edited by darkdemon759k: 8/5/2015 8:30:20 PM
                            For all the dumb -blam!-s out their, bungie stated this isn't an mmo but it has mmo like content in it, compare this to vanilla world of Warcraft u don't see lvl 100 -blam!- shit with lvl 60 gear now do u?? Like stfu this is how these kind of games work don't like it gtfo, in all mmo/rpg type games old content gets flushed out and useless world of Warcraft is a prime example

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                            • Apparently you can scrap gear in the same slot as you equipped gear to improve an existing piece of gear that is equipped. I think this is their answer to transmog and being able to look how we want to. Just need a better explanation from bungie.

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                            • OMG I just watched that first vid, I'm a hardcore bungee fan but damnit they screwed me over I feel so crushed that bungie, my favorite gaming developer did this to me… I'm canceling my pre order

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                            • Read the entire post. Good on the frustrations part. Bad on the "I'm entitled" part. So here's the simple enough truth: #1. Ten years ago? Gamers reacted even more lividly and with more passion then what you just demonstrated. This was ok and not ok, but the thing to understand is that this is #1 because it is the starting point. The journey will be completed at #5. #2. Five years ago? Gamers reacted with just as livid and tenacious attitude AND passion then demonstrated in #1. This was still ok and not ok. Why? Because it showed gamers want to do stuff in the given universe and if you look into development processes? They COULD do what you ask... so how are they supposed to make it all work, for all the gamers out there, who don't agree with you? See... in the United States? Diversity of opinion rules. Not what a subscriber base states. You know why that is? You could resolve ALL problems i Destiny with a single fell swoop of the issue... or you could wait until another solution presents itself and look like gods and goddesses... or crash and burn as most caught on already. The lesson? Gamers weren't satisfied back then, they aren't now, and they won't be ten years from now. Sounds. like. a. personal. problem. then. Because you? Are LITERALLY the only one who can make YOURSELF happy... #3-5. Repeat number 2 for all remaining numbers.

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