Well, Cozmo is saying to hold onto our stuff, and they have said that raid legenderies may be treated differently, but in the end the new guns will have a more available perks and better perks, so you more then likely still use your guns, but the new ones will be much much better. And borderlands also does this, it's not an MMO. So it's not an MMO thing. It's a saturation thing.

Too long to read but I understand the jist. I disagree. Old weapons should become obsolete. What bungie has failed to do is they need to introduce new weapons that people want to use. You shouldn't be forcing me to use the new weapons. The new weapons should be awesome to use, not a chore.

But destiny is also an RPG. In RPGs, you graduate from gear set to gear set, we did this when we went from common to uncommon to rare to legendary. Another facet of that is going from year one to year two, and in destiny's case, they're releasing a heap (we hope) of new stuff for us to use. You can still certainly use your prized weapons (in my case, Timur's Lash) in the crucible or in lower level encounters. While they may be doing away with our light levels and such, the damage of your weapons will still be adjusted depending on the level of your character and the enemies, that's why we can still use 300 capped legendaries in 28 POE, or what have you, and still perform well. I don't see the leaving behind of gear as a good thing or a bad thing, it just is what it is. I'm going to miss my old guns to some extent, but I'm absolutely stoked to get some sweet looking weapons from the foundries! Instead of griping about it, why don't we see how it turns out before we start shaking our fists in the air?

Your weapons are not your children. Your weapons are your tools and in a FPS game, you select the most effective tools from your arsenal for the task or role you are approaching. If more effective tools appear, you use those, if previously effective tools can no longer compete, you shelve them. The irony of this entire argument is that it is actual Role Players, as in the RPG element that many MMOs have that Destiny and other more FPS games do not have, these role players are the ones that form an attachment to a particular weapon. An FPS attachment to a weapon is a weird and out of place concept.

It would make every weapon in vault and crota irrelevant. That logic is flawed if they think old weapons will be let go.

Alright, I'll give you a direct blunt answer. Its not on the fact that you have to "move on" Its not due to the fact that other games, namely many RPGS have done this to an extent, even Pokemon. Its due to 2 factors: -1. Starting everyone on an even playing field for the "reset" -2. Those year one weapons, mainly vannila, have perks that have potentially, little downsides and people clinging to them will not be encouraged to take stuff that has downsides. For ordeal 1, Yes as you know many MMOS like World of Warcraft or Everquest have done this, this is to make it so that everyone from the largest realm first seeking players/guilds and the ones that simply just want to pursue the content, have a fresh start to experenice the game in its entireity. Even Pokemon, has been doing this by means of "you have to play the game before you bring in your old guys" and guess what? [b]Even in a game like pokemon, many people end up breeding their older guys to make new stronger ones due to the expansion of new generations from the continuing games, its the equilevent of in WoW going in with the best of the past, but you eventually have to give it up[/b]. Everyone needs to start on the new field, because if you can just carry in the older gun at max power, well theres no point in seeking the content if you just have the old crap from before outdoing everything else. 2. Those perks, the deal is remember perks like Hammer Forged, Field Scout, etc? These perks have no downside, none at all. Even the exotics which have them, they will be tuned down in a couple ways on some like SUROS and MIDA respectively. The point is, if you can just keep using your fatebringer, blackhammer, etc, just keep pumping it up, year after year, beyond exotics, what exactly is the point of the new content if you will just end up coming back to the same old stuff you know is got these abilities when the newer raid and high end crucible gear wont? See the point? If everyone in year 1 has these powerful weapons to just carry through the longevity of the game, then there is really no point in continuing if everything say, what you or I have that has gotten a powerful shotgun like Found Verdict or a strong rocket launcher like hunger of Crota, then why would I need anything else? Yes we can still use Gally throughout the years, but all Gallys are the same, and all people can get access to it in a varity of ways, its just you know, rarer. But the point is, Legendaries at times can exceed the exotics, and if you had these all the time, then why would you even need to continue to play the game for anything beyond experience? Collection would be meaningless, we all have our swords or in this case guns, but just as in WoW people must pick up new blades and shed their armor for new adventures, we need to rethink our arsenals for stuff to being regulated to either trophies or the crucible. [i]But this isn't like WOW, the past raid stuff has no point! We dont even get transmog stuff to make it like our weapons![/i] Yes, in World of Warcraft, ever since late Cataclysm, a feature called transmog has existed, it was basically, all the neat looking older gear be it rare or epic (but not legendary like thunderfury), could be "reused" for a new purpose, that was the weapon itself while no longer viable as an active weapon, could be put into a mechanic known as void storage, as like a trophy storage mor or less, and then your active much stronger weapons and armor, could be made to take the form of this older gear. So your older gear is used as nothing more than clothing in this one, aka I had a dragon sword from Cata, but have a sword from Dreanor that though powerful, I dont like the look of it, so I transmoged it, this gave new life and reason to seek the older raid gear from time to time. We dont have that in Destiny, yet anyways. But a reskinned found verdict will never be as good as the old one, beyond just the crucible. But times also change and you cannot remain in the past forever. In a sense, yes, you need to move on, but change is a part of life. This is essentially a case of how anyone likewise arguing how they hate the changes coming to PVP and weapons like handcannons in general, well all I can say is: "you have no one to blame and be upset at but yourself" You shouldn't have just stuck to the same old fatebringer, blackhammer, and gally, dont be "upset that they nerfed your weapon" You should be upset that you decided to just stick to one thing and never try anything else. So don't be going into tilt in PVP or complaining how "unfair" PVE is when your weapon of choice is not effective. [i]Its better to be ultilized and otherwise accustomed to many different styles rather than one arch style, for anyone upset that handcannons, both exotic and legendary are changing, well its partly because they overpreformed, this is exactly why you may need to rethink your choices, all things need a pro and con, this is why the sense of balance exists, in both PVP and PVE. PVP everything needs a good zone and less effective zone. PVE, you can be powerful but not so powerful you end up breaking all the aspect of a challenge.[/i] But for anyone upset that their favorite weapons will be locked down to year 1, well in all truth the weapons will be back in other ways in new forms in the new content. I mean how many people took hopscotch pilgrim like the older SUPER POX VLO? A good amount I would assume But the days of Fatebringer, Found Verdict, Vision, BlackHammer, its all got to end. Because seriously, let me make it clear like this: [b]What game that lasts many years, would honestly make it so that you can get the strongest weapons, proven so powerful beyond again, those exotics from time to time, at a very low level comapred to the advanced content of the game, without so much as an sweat? Its not like we will ever be facing Atheon at level 40 and beyond unless the gear is just simply repurposed to be at the new maximum, but even then people would still be in the same pit of not using the new stuff? We all know that these first generation weapons have perks and stats that go beyond much of the other content currently there, so why on gods green earth would we need to use these new ones if the older ones have the better perks and were still ascendable? Simply, there would be no point[/b] Anyone complaining about this, is the real ignorant ones here. You are essentially wanting to carry your powerful stuff just so you can continue as you always have, removing any need or requriment, or even valid incentive for end game content be it PVE and PVP beyond just say, the challenge of PVP for killing Oryx. Thats not good, thats just dumb. Even pokemon which has let people do this for years, those same people have spent hours using their older guys, phased them out with the new generation prospects be it the new creatures, moves, and updated breeding possiblitites, all for the purpose to try and create stronger new pokemon with updated move possibilities. Pokemon fans have been doing this ever since gen 3 went to gen 4, the roster and moves have expanded, the battle system has changed long ago with physical and special splits, but the underlying math for stats and values has remained the same ever since then, and they hardly complained. And this is the pokemon community. World of Warcraft fans have dealt with this even longer, ever since 2007 with the burning crusade. So yeah, perhaps everyone needs to suck it up. "out with the old, in with the new." "Times change, those who fail to move on remain stagnated in the past" The prospect of new items phased in over older ones, its nothing new. Its purposes far outweigh the fact of just keeping the older ones. But if you don't like it, you also don't have to play. So say goodbye to your old legendaries, move forward with your exotics. Besides, lets be honest. Most of our builds actually revolve around the use of exotics. Move on, or get left behind. You can still fool around in the crucible with your old stuff, but honestly, the new stuff should be better. But hey, everyone cannot handle change that well, even when this is something that has proven to work time and time again in older games. Its no different here.

The problem is [b]saturation[/b]. Allow me to explain: 1) You have been able to carry over the previous 5 years worth of hand cannons into each new expac. 2) You now have 45 hand cannons that are all viable in the new content. How do you make those 45 hand cannons different enough from each other that you have a [u]MEANINGFUL[/u] choice between them? How do you make the 10 added hand cannons with the new content feel [u]MEANINGFUL[/u] when you acquire them? The fact is, you can't, because your field of options is now saturated. When that happens, humanity defaults to what they know, which will be their favorite.

How is fatebringer "over rated" it's the best PvE gun in the game. Not opinion.....fact!!! Il be sad to see it go but can't wait for the new guns.

People are just crying because now they're not going to be the best of the best with all their hard earned gear. Honestly it'd be stupid to keep the same weapons for the entirety of destiny. Eventually you've gotta move on. And if we can still use them I'd expect them to be inferior to the new end game weapons. I feel a little indifferent about it obviously because I've got everything I want at this point, but I kind of like the grind and look forward to slowly building up a new arsenal of weapons. I've got some kleenexes if anyone needs to dry their tears 😯