They suck in PvE? Do you even [i]have[/i] them? The Adept Primaries have elemental damage, and hit like freight trains; I love them, and you're crazy. XD Also- what I'm saying is that [i]all[/i] future rewards should be as desirable as ToO rewards, for both PvP and PvE modes. :) And what argument did I "lose?" I'm perfectly okay with Bungie putting out better weapons, that's not what I'm arguing [i]at all[/i]. What I'm saying is that simply increasing the damage on new gear is a cheap-ass cop-out on Bungie's part, when they should be putting out new content that's desirable [i]on its own[/i]. Again, perfect example; Trials gear. Same damage/Light Levels as the rest of the gear in the game, yet it's super-desirable. :P