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8/6/2015 7:16:51 PM
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[quote]The stupidity is strong in this one.
No, her creation of the clan simply called ATTENTION to what is a VERY REAL problem in gaming...and every OTHER part of life where women seek to move and be treated as equals in situations dominated by men. Especially immature and insecure men.
I'm a 47 year-old male gamer who plays this game, and two of my three character in Destiny happen to be female. Although I've known my entire life that sexism is alive and well (and have heard things said about women behind closed doors that would make your hair stand on end in horror) my experience playing this game has been an eye-opener as well.
As a man, I am EMBARRASSED by how other MALES (They aren't men) behave when they believe they are dealing with a woman.
1. Many of them simply have NO IDEA how----or lack the self-control to----interact with women in ways that are not sexualized.
2. Many have no respect for BOUNDARIES. They just force their sexualized attentions onto any female that catches their interest...and then rage and become abusive when that attention isn't returned or welcomed.
In short. Whenever I'm playing as one of my female characters, I am ROUTINELY chased from either the Tower or somewhere int he game world at least once a week by some forme of sexualized harassment, or unwanted attention. To the point where I have to go to ORBIT to make it stop. As a guy---behind the female toon----I can easily just laugh it off. But I can easily see how this would be very scary and very infuriating to a woman.
...and sadly, one of the best ways women have of combating this kind of ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOR on the part of males, is to seek safety (in numbers) in the presence of other women.
So no, Belle didn't "create this situation'. What "created this situation" is the fact that here is something really WRONG and really BROKEN in the heads of some males. A situation that we men have the luxury of ignoring and laughing off.
They don't have that luxury....because as the Bounty sadly showed....that when some of these guys don't get the response they want.....it can go to someplace sick and scary in a hurry.[/quote]
Geezus ur self serving. When someone creates a 'clan' with limitations built with restrictions. You open a door. Dads and Dames both. I've been waiting for the all black and or all white clans. Of course she ,nor does any woman deserve it. And because you have a few woman avatars you feel their pain? Ba! Block and report sht heads. I play with 2 fantastic woman every week. A few stupid remarks here and there. But we are SMART enough to separate from them. I will give zero pitty for Dames and zero for all the others that have been getting their mothers banged by everyone since Black ops.
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There is a principle called FREE ASSOCIATION. We all have a right to choose who will be----or not be----our friends. So who someone ELSE CHOOSES as their friends is none of my business...whether I agree with it or not. If you---or anyone else---has a problem with that....then YOU have a problem. A BOUNDARY problem. A problem in realizing where you area of legitimate concern begins and ENDS. Sexualized harrassment is a form of sexualized BULLYING...and different people have different abilities to stand up to such bullying. Some women have the ability to stand up to it on their own....other women do not. As I kid, I had the ability (and the necessity) to stand up to bullying on my own, but I also understood those who needed the support of OTHERS to do so. Because they need to feed off the strength of others, to get in touch with their own. At the end of the day, your "zero pity" only reflecs poorly on yoursellf. Your lack of empathy for other...and your own self-absorption. Like one of the Blind Men groping at the Elephant, you are under mistaken notion that Reality is defined by who it looks from YOUR TINY little corner of it. Instead of being one tiny piece of a much larger whole. ...and no, I'm not "self-serving". I'm simply one of the few grown ups in this room. One who realizes that the problems that women face are MUCH larger than a few "stupid remarks". ...a point I realized 25 years ago when a women in my apartment complex knocked on my door BEGGING to be let in. Her ex-boyfriend was stalking her, and she was so scared of what he would do to her, that locking herself up in an apartment with a TOTAL STRANGER (me) was less frightening. So no, I don't know womens' pain because of this experience of this game. I know it, because I see some of the UGLIEST most FRIGHTENING manifestations of it in my work on a daily basis. What was suprising to me---as a result of this game---was how EARLY in life it starts...and how pervasive it can truly be. Even in areas of life you'd think would be free of it.
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[quote]There is a principle called FREE ASSOCIATION. We all have a right to choose who will be----or not be----our friends. So who someone ELSE CHOOSES as their friends is none of my business...whether I agree with it or not. If you---or anyone else---has a problem with that....then YOU have a problem. A BOUNDARY problem. A problem in realizing where you area of legitimate concern begins and ENDS. Sexualized harrassment is a form of sexualized BULLYING...and different people have different abilities to stand up to such bullying. Some women have the ability to stand up to it on their own....other women do not. As I kid, I had the ability (and the necessity) to stand up to bullying on my own, but I also understood those who needed the support of OTHERS to do so. Because they need to feed off the strength of others, to get in touch with their own. At the end of the day, your "zero pity" only reflecs poorly on yoursellf. Your lack of empathy for other...and your own self-absorption. Like one of the Blind Men groping at the Elephant, you are under mistaken notion that Reality is defined by who it looks from YOUR TINY little corner of it. Instead of being one tiny piece of a much larger whole. ...and no, I'm not "self-serving". I'm simply one of the few grown ups in this room. One who realizes that the problems that women face are MUCH larger than a few "stupid remarks". ...a point I realized 25 years ago when a women in my apartment complex knocked on my door BEGGING to be let in. Her ex-boyfriend was stalking her, and she was so scared of what he would do to her, that locking herself up in an apartment with a TOTAL STRANGER (me) was less frightening. So no, I don't know womens' pain because of this experience of this game. I know it, because I see some of the UGLIEST most FRIGHTENING manifestations of it in my work on a daily basis. What was suprising to me---as a result of this game---was how EARLY in life it starts...and how pervasive it can truly be. Even in areas of life you'd think would be free of it.[/quote] Ur an attention farmer. Same as this post. Of course there is harassing in all sorts of forms. And as stated prior she nor anyone is deserving. And if ur looking to be rid of it you should completely expand as this post should on the overall expectations. So since my friend has a male avatar and was chased around the tower he pointed out after reading ur post .. Is that sexual harassment? How very great of u. Honestly to help that woman whom was in need.but F u for using it as a talking point to prove u know what woman go through and how that applies to this topic. Harassment as a whole should have no place not only in this community but else where. Trash talk.. Has a fine line of course. And I say I have zero pitty.. I should have and will expand. I have zero pitty for the 100s of post saying how bad we should all feel. I have been reading most of these post and in each one there is always tons of lady gamers saying that they for the most part have had a great experience. So don't try and make me or anyone else feel bad for not jumping on the negative truck because it's not working. So I'll end with. Harassment in a whole is bad for all types. And should not be allowed. And if there was a white only clan out there that said there was harassment I'd ur going to get negative attention from a lot of people ( and ur all a bunch of inappropriate shts). Separation vs segregation ? Same or different? Good luck and have fun.
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Edited by GrundleBeans: 8/6/2015 8:41:50 PMI don't think you understand like half of what this person said... Your argument is all over the place and assumes they said the opposite of what they said at times. At points you even share the same argument and from reading your previous comments, it doesn't look like you recognize it. I'd suggest doing a review of both sides again.
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Projections. Appeals to ridicule. Red Herring Arguments. My you are making sure to hit ALL the logical fallacies in your efforts to suppress dissenting arguments aren't you?? What I am here to do is one simple thing. TO GIVE A REALITY CHECK TO PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF. Because ALL of your arguments PALE before MY life experience of having to take care of a woman who was doused in gasoline....and then set on fire. Women being shot. Beaten...or simply living in a constant state of fear. A reality check to people like yourself who are either too young or too arrogant and self-absorbed to realiza that THESE are the real stakes we are playing for here. Not a few rude comments....or the actions of a few attention seeking cowards. This kind of behavior is NOT OKAY, because ONE person in every 25 you will ever meet....is a sociopath. A person who has a psychiatric disturbance such that they have no conscience....and have the ability to exploit and in many cases physically harm others without remorse or regret. One out of every three of your violent offenders....is such a person. One out of every three of your serial sexual offenders is such a person. So I really couldn't give a rat's ass about what political point you think you are making here. Because this game can quickly escalate to one that has REAL life-and-death stakes.....and women often never know who is simply the JERK...and who is the MONSTER....until it is tool late. ...and something permanent and life-altering has taken place. So shut up and listen. Sometimes its not about you. ..and this is one of those times.
