[quote]Interesting game mechanics? So I guess the fact they are putting in you know, objectives in the strikes and mixing them up with the 3 taken versions (Cerebereus, Dust Palace, Undying Mind) isn't enough? [b]This is interesting. I heard about the new enemies and just read about the new put this here and drop the shield strike. I'm intrigued and will agree this sounds promising.[/b] And difficulty inflated? I'm sorry, but Cmdr Chaos, by your take, I am guessing that either you really suck at PVE or just cannot get to level 34. Exactly what is hard these days on any nightfall with a burn modifier? Exactly what is hard when people just sit at the top of the nexus and snipe Sekrion? Exactly what is hard about Atheon even when back in the cap of 30, people could still mow him down easily with snipers and machine guns? Exactly what is hard about Crota considering most sadly cheesed him? Exactly how hard is Skolas anytime these days? Do you not somehow have the ability to get to a high enough level or are just impatient? You want the bosses to be put down to minimal health? How else can a shooter make a boss without some either high endurance or mechanic like Crota only being hurt by a sword? You want explosive barrels in the ring, because that just makes it more bland than one could say. The boss fights, like Atheon and Skolas, are actually just tests of patneince and otherwise fun when people dont rely soley on gally or cheesing, hell I purposely go striker on the nexus on any dragon strike nowadays just to knock people into the ring with a shoulder charge. I cannot stand cheesers. I don't like gimping challenges. [b]I'm a card carrying member of the Forever 29 guild. I was forced through RNG to acquire what was affectionately known as "Iron Welfare" gear in order to make it to 30. I got my first Gjallarhorn at over a thousand hours in. I beat Atheon with a blue fusion rifle and TDYK with a Void walker. The Vault was the pinnacle of Destiny IMHO. I'm not impatient and I enjoy a puzzle challenge more than a bullet sponge. Atheon was fun. Until bugs were introduced after the teleports were randomized. Yes. The cheese made Crota a joke. It was fun doing it legit. I never understood cheesing the bridge to begin with. Always seemed longer on hard mode. IDK about barrels but things like rotating shields are cool. Shooting x to deploy y then taking control and destroying the boss sound fun. The sword was a cool idea. Taking down the shield should have been different and less depended on the players weapon. Or more indirect like the Atheon battle. I never liked the idea of a "Horde mode". Never liked it. But the etheric light was a great idea. [/b] Bungie toned down the health on Valus Tarruc, and even then, anyone packing a strong shotgun like lord of wolves or other maxed shotgun can help put down just about any boss. Bungie has made mistakes, thats a fact, lots of design lacking events in the early game (save for the vault of glass) and in the dark below. But they have added in a lot of content for the upcoming expansion. Its like, if actual mechanics being added in for strikes are not good enough now, then to people like you, it never will be. [b]Agreed. They have a hard sell for me. It's not impossible though. I'm coming around slowly. But I'm still on the fence. Story is the most important thing now. So how that is delivered is most important to my purchase decision. [/b] And your argument at the end is invalid, Blizzard has done this for years, over 8 years, with every Expansion with World of Warcraft, Nintendo has done it with Pokemon, yet no one in pokemon made a rant about how they are "forced to play the game to earn the right to transfer over their super powered guys from the pervious games" Even then, every pokemon game has a mechnaic with the badages, the higher level guys would hardly listen until they had all 8 badges. But guess what, no one complained then, you shouldnt complain in stuff like this when its the same situation, different genre. [b]I don't play those games but I understand your argument. I've always been a console gamer. Halo got me into the fps. Destiny is a mix of several different things so it's difficult to judge in comparison because as a jack of all trades blah blah blah. [/b] You have an exotic you like? Use that, thats all I can tell you, otherwise apparently the fact of [b]reforging still being present and different gun companies to give more diverse weapons[/b] flew right over you. [b]If the mechanics and story are interesting enough as along as my weapons kick ass in pve I could care less about re rolling or manufacturer. It's cool and adds depth but if it's the random gamble your motes mechanic in place today that's just padding playtime. [/b] Its not like its going to be impossible to reforge another hopscotch pilgrim and for all purposes, there will be strong PVE and PVP primaries. But you might as well complain, cause that solves everything right? [b]Well apparently the squeaky wheel...[/b] At this point, this mentality, bungie isnt the one punishing you, you are only punishing yourself.[/quote] [b]TL; DR: I've since read a bit more and will hold my final decision until I've seen how things will play out. Seems they're taking a step in the positive.[/b]