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8/7/2015 8:08:51 PM
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OP, you raise many excellent points. I feel they are addressed by the fact that (apparently) we will be able to upgrade our exotics in TTK.
To me, that's the perfect balance. We can keep iconic guns we love, but the new weapons will still be meaningful because we have to get new legendaries.
Here is a perfect example of why that's good:
Look at the rewards for PoE. They were universally panned by players, and most players have said they only cared about killing Skolas once, because after that, why bother when the rewards were useless compared to their raid legendaries?
THAT is why it's important for the new gear to be more desirable than the old gear.
All of your points about weapons in Destiny being more than stat sticks is true, which is why we get to upgrade exotics.
But leaving ALL weapons upgradeable would leave only two outcomes: either the new gear isn't as good so no one cares about the content, OR the new gear is so much better that there is insane power creep.
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Had they simply given the opportunity for burns on primaries and given some decent perks more people would have played poe. I completed several poe35 and only saw 1 elemental primary drop. Stupid design by bungie
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Good point, that makes me nervous. It's like their not making old ones upgradable just in case the new guns suck as bad as the PoE guns. That way they make us still use the new ones.
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PoE guns should not come close to a raid reward... The prison was a rat maze created because the brass at bungie failed on the last raid and was in no shape to deliver on their next. My point is why would you scrap your VoG and Crota guns for anything the prison offers? Maybe and I mean maybe the heavy guns were worth it and that's only because you could roll them for specific perks. The rest were lame and even her benevolence is no black hammer. OP is right in almost everything. (Fatebringer is not overrated)
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You honestly don't think the rewards for 35 Skolas should still be desirable to someone who ran VoG at 30? Doing level 34 endgame PVE should give better rewards than level 30 endgame PVE, on my opinion. As we've seen, what is the point in doing Skolas more than once if the rewards are lackluster?
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My point is that the prison and virtually the entire HoW was a stall tactic DLC until they could get the taken King ready to go. End game rewards should be on point but the only end game gun I've received that gets used a lot from the HoW is my messenger. There is no gun in the PvE side of HoW that get serious use, and this speaks to how weak of an expansion it was. It was never meant to produce great weapons because they knew you would be forced to scrap them in September. Are the dots connecting yet?
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You're just missing my point. I'm saying "Remember how no one liked the rewards in PoE 35 because they sucked compared to the vanilla raid weapons that could just be upgraded? That sucked!" And also: "They don't want to repeat that, so they are making the old legendaries non-upgradeable so the new weapons will be desired"
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He's not missing your point man. He's too wrapped up in his whole "Bungie is Evil!" Way of thinking. Just let him go, it's too late for the poor soul.
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That's one take.... I am more inclined to believe that the initial raid weapons were made to OP. That's why we got several nerfs and perks are no longer avail on certain weapons. They are finding the right balance for the guns, but had we been able to keep the elite yr one legendaries that balance would be lost. The prison was a total joke & honestly this court of oryx is sounding like a prison style game with more options avail to the player. I know they said it isn't like the PoE at all but you can help but draw similarities.
