So do I but I've played a lot more than either of them and I'm not paid to be an expert/spokesman on destiny! I'm not saying they need to do this 24/7, of course not. But completed crota once (and not even on hard)? That's crazy. Crota hard was the single most frustrating thing I have done in destiny, but we kept going night after night for hours at a time. They (or at least deej) should have been doing the same, being insta whacked by a suddenly upright crota at 2 in the morning. Then they might better understand why there is periodically such a lot of anger directed at this fantastic game. They can do what they like, they're grown ups, but it just shocked me how little they have actually played.