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8/12/2015 3:22:39 AM
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I just realized something. People hate on destiny for lack of content for its price, but those same people will die defending MGSV. Did we all forget about ground zeros which was $40 at first? That's less than j payed for 2 destiny DLCs, and the same price for TTK. There was 2 hours of content in that $40 demo, and that's what it is, a demo, whereas there was more than that in the DLCs easily. It certainly doesn't have as much content as TTK will have. Yes they dropped the price but so did bungie with the $60 bundle which includes TTK ($40) and the base game plus the 2 DLCs for and extra $20 adding up to $60 total. What I'm saying is that why is it that anyone who defends destiny and its pricing immediately a fanboy while someone who defends MGSV is not? Is it just that people think it's cool to hate on destiny?
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Who, aside from Metal Gear fanboys, were defending Zeroes' price at launch?
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That's exactly the thing, all metal gear fans (not just fanboys) have just swept it under the rug and moved on to the new $60 game coming out soon. Why is it that nobody brings that up when someone says they're looking forward to the phantom pain. I've seen countless people on YouTube who say that they play destiny because they enjoy it, and they get called a fanboy or sheep then the whole issue of pricing comes up. That we also paid money for a demo and that it costs $130 (I bought the season pass) to get the full release. You have to pay $100 for the full metal gear solid game if you bought GZ at launch. Why aren't people who say they're excited about the phantom pain getting that type of hate? Not that I want them to, I don't want any type of hate, it's just odd that the destiny community is constantly called fanboys yet metal GZ was a blatant cash grab and the phantom pain even has micro transactions.
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Different situations most likely. Destiny launched as an overhyped game that most felt didn't have enough content to justify itself to begin with. It then went on to release DLC that, for the most part, underwhelmed with the content again (Dark Below is more guilty of this than HoW) despite being pricey for DLC. People feel cheated and now Bungie is releasing a new DLC that's even more expensive, so a lot of people are wary or frustrated. Not to mention Activision have been greedy asshats for years with CoD, which adds fuel to the fire. Zeroes was bad but it was heavily criticised back then and (it seems) like Phantom Pain will more than make up for it content-wise. Ultimately I'm in complete agreement with you; the hate is stupid. But I can kind of understand why people would defend Metal Gear and not Destiny.
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Both situations are similar in that you have to pay $130 to get the full destiny game and $100 to get the full metal gear solid game. Yeah the phantom pain looks like a good game and the taken king looks like it has more than enough content to justify the price. GZ was nothing less of a cash grab, but destiny's DLC was made with an effort to improve. That's why TDB had a consisted storyline even if the DLC as a whole was not very good, they were at least trying to improve. They also improved with HoW. Phantom pain was just an easy way to make money off of the hype of the game, similar to how destiny made most of its money off of hype. Neither companies should be defended for those actions. What's bad is that when someone says they're looking forward to TTK they're reminded of the $90 beta before this DLCs release but when someone says they're looking forward to the phantom pain everybody is commenting "yeah me too" or "it's going to be the best game ever", nothing about the GZ demo that people played for. Nobody should get hate for liking a game, and it's especially bad when only one game is called out for something that other games have done.
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See, this is where I think we end up disagreeing. You don't need Ground Zeroes to get the full experience of MGSV, it's little more than a prologue. Destiny however, given it's nature, almost requires you to buy the DLC if you want to keep playing. You can skip Zeroes and not miss a beat. You can't say the same for TDB, HoW or TTK. But again I don't think they're all that comparable. One focuses on single player, the other on multiplayer. Destiny releasing DLC isn't a bad thing because they need to keep things fresh, but I think we can both agree that some people don't like having to keep putting money into a game to keep it enjoyable, especially if those people aren't familiar with subscription based MMOs.
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True, I meant it as they're similar in the most basic way, that they're both not worth the money. And by worth I mean the amount of content in it for the price. The DLCs were overpriced and that shouldn't be defended, GZ was overpriced and shouldn't be defended. They're definitely different when you get into more details though. I bring this up mainly because I read the comments for one of bdobbins (a youtuber who goes into the politics of games if you don't know him) and people who commented that they play the game because it's fun to play sign friends get called fanboys and insulted with 20+ comments, then when someone calls destiny trash they get responses that are all agreeing with him. I said that I enjoy playing the game and people said I was the reason that the gaming industry sucks and that I'm supporting bad business. I've just never seen this kind of hate against people before. I don't know if destiny is a special case or something but it's not like other games have lacked content. An example is watchdogs and someone commented that they have fun playing it but nobody cared. They didn't call him a fanboy. It just doesn't make sense
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I don't get the whole discussion about pricing at all (except for the 20$ emotes pack; this is ridiculous). Don't pre-order, have a close look on release day and spend your bucks, if you are satisfied. If not, then don't buy. Simple as that. The really annoying thing with new releases nowadays is this "exclusive content" BS IMO.
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Very true
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What's MGSV
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Edited by Willa: 8/12/2015 8:32:31 AMYou mean Ground Zeroes? May of been $40 for US, but at least Konami stuck to pricing differences in other countries. Ground Zeroes was only £25 when i first got it on release
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Doesn't make it a fair price to play a demo though
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I understand but do you really expect anything less with Konami? I've been following them for some time and basically they are just interested in making quick and easy money. Thats why they haven't made many games lately because they prefer to invest their time into making pachinko machines and cheap f2p pay to win mobile games. You can look more into it, its quite bad how they treat employees
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I totally agree, i cannot think of another game where you paid to play the demo. Normally demos/betas are free so you can make an informed decision whether or not to buy the full game upon release. This still happened to me with MSGV, after playing the demo I made an informed decision not to buy the full game but they still got $40 out of me.
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Dead Rising: Case Zero, but it wasn't $40
