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8/23/2015 4:42:02 PM
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I would say that there a lot of idiots on the internet no matter where you look.
Using good logic doesn't let me believe that a being we cannot see or hear has influence on our lives, not to mention created the universe. Or that a virgin can get pregnant without sex. Or that a soul is an actual thing. Or that when you die the idea of your spirit going somewhere else is reality. Or that a 900 year old man put two of every animal on a ship that he built. Maybe it's that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac as a test of his faith. But this is a loving God? Same god who commits outrageous act of genocide many times in the bible but this is supposed to be book that teaches morality? Now in what context could these things actually be okay?
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Edited by GR0MS: 8/23/2015 5:15:44 PMYou just proved my point. God wasn't going to let Abraham sacrifice his son and we see that he didn't and God provided a lamb. It's only immoral if God actually wanted Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. It's also one of the most explicit foreshadowings of Jesus. Did you know that the hill that Abraham took Isaac to was the same hill Jesus was crucified on? And as far as genocide, God was judging evil. He gave every people that he judged time to repent. They didn't, so they were judged. Look at the conversation between God and Abraham regarding the judgement of Sodom and Gomorrah. Look at the story of Jonah and God's judgement of Nineveh. God is just. The only problem with God's judgement is that those rebelling against God don't like the idea that we are his creation and he can rightly judge us. Edit: when we read through the old testament, we not only see God using Israel to judge evil nations, but we see God using other nations to judge Israel when they rebel and start doing evil. God is a just judge.
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Hitler judged the Jews as evil. He gave them time to change religion. Noticing any similarities here?
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Hitler isn't God. And he viewed the Jews as inferior, it had nothing to do with religion.
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Hitler wasn't God, but he did the same thing that you just talked about. Who gave him the right to kill people off in either situation? Hitter viewed Jews imperfect because of their religion. Germany and Eastern Europe were very heavily catholic, and so they blamed a separate religion for all of their problems. God viewed the "evil" people as inferior to Noah, otherwise he wouldn't have saved Noah. Noah was better, therefore superior, to the rest of the world.
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God can judge his creation whether you like it or not. Hitler is not the creator.
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Why make a creation that is imperfect though? If God has unlimited power, why not make the human race perfect? He made Adam and Eve perfect, but they weren't because they could be tempted. And if He is all loving, why does He force people to worship Him in order to get into heaven. Further thought, why don't we just LIVE in heaven right now? Why make us go through Earth and live a life of misery for many people? And if God has a plan for everyone, including those that don't follow and worship Him, why is His plan for so many people to starve?
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[quote]God can judge his creation whether you like it or not. Hitler is not the creator.[/quote] I knew you were going to say that. It's a -blam!-ing disgusting mine set...
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That's because you don't want to be judged. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
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[quote]That's because you don't want to be judged. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.[/quote] If by judged, You mean I do not want to be slaughtered because someone disagrees with my behavior? Then Yes..
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That isn't the point. God would know how strong Abraham's faith was without having to put him and his poor son through such torture. I know he stopped him from doing it. Also, this idea of God judging what is evil and that somehow justifies that murdering every man, woman and child in the city is okay is crazy talk. So it's okay for God to kill people that have a different idea of God? Rebelling against God should not be punishable by death. I know it says that, which is another reason to find it untrue. This is a horrible thing you believe is true. "we are his creation and he can rightly judge us" "You must conform, or be judged" Evil shit. What makes your God the right God? There are hundreds of Gods being worshiped by people right now but yours is the right one? It's a delusional thought to suspend your reason and logic to believe in ancient mythology still in 2015.
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Edited by GR0MS: 8/23/2015 6:09:46 PMThe test was more for Abraham than it was for God. And yes God is absolutely just in his judgements. Like I said before, the only problem is that you don't like it, so you reject it. These are accounts in the bible, so the bible needs to be the basis for our arguments. You cannot justify your position biblically that God didn't have morally justified reasons for his judgements, but I can justify my position. If you want to reject God, then that's your choice, but when formulating an argument based on literature, we need to take into account all of what that literature states about the subject of our arguments. Also, prove that it's mythology.
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You are limiting the argument to a basis the the other side doesn't believe in, and has no ground to stand upon, there for this is an abusive limitation and is discarded from the argument. You are arguing atheism vs Christianity there for you can defend your side through the bible but you cannot wholely limit the argument to it.
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No, I'm arguing that atheist arguments against the bible and therefore Christianity are devoid of an understanding of what the bible actually teaches.
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You said, and I quote, "these are the account of the bible, so the bible needs to be the basis of your argument". Tell me how you aren't limiting the argument.
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The point is that they are saying, "this thing written in the bible doesn't make sense" and I'm saying, " if you actually read the bible and study the context, then that thing written in the bible would make sense. "
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It conflicts with science. They aren't saying the bubble conflicts with itself.
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Actually they do. And it doesn't conflict with science.
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On many accounts it does. Such as how long it to the earth to form/be created.
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It doesn't state how long. It uses the term days which has many different meanings. As a matter of fact, it says that God rested on the 7th day and according to the bible that rest is still going on. That's a long day...
