I have no words for anyone who sucks at PvE with a Gally, Ice Breaker AND BlackHammer. I personally have never seen that. Seen some in VoG who just die to goblins and hobgoblins or try to melee fanatics and such but, a lot of people seem to suck at VoG these days. Usually PvP players chasing moment of triumph. One guy actually tried to use thorn and last word in VoG for Christ sake!