Woah, was I trending?

even the op is surprised this nonsense is getting traction.

Not really nonsense. I'll reply to your points as honestly as I can. 1. It's our fault for elitism, nothing more. Bungie is at fault for taking too long to put a simple nerf on Thorn and buff on auto rifles. 2. Final Round won't 1 shot body shots anymore. You can't tell me a 1 shot body shot isn't OP. 3. I like this point. The comment on making it so elitist won't be so, well, elitist is all I want from this community. 4. Yes, and they're allowed to use Thorn. No one said otherwise. I just look forward to weapon diversity. 5. You're allowed to use blink, I honestly don't care. Blink shotty is kinda OP at times, so the blink nerf is needed. If they still use it after the patch, that's their choice. 6. Bungie is trying to be more creative in TTK, and I look forward to that. We just need a more entertaining way to kill something. Take Templar for example. [quote]Are you guilty of anything at all? No, you're not.[/quote] Yes I am, yes we are. Elitism is still a problem this community as a whole faces. [quote]point is, this thread is toxic and doesn't make any sense at all. i cant wait for TTK just so this sort of nonsense isn't trending.[/quote] Toxic? You mean like the people that cry over nerfs, or the people hating women because they're women? What about racism? The people who hate another player for playing a different class? The people requesting you pay them to get to the light house or beat Skolas? People whining over every little thing that only affects them in the slightest? I'm sorry, but my post is anything but "Toxic." I explain my points in a decent well behaved and well written manner. I interact with the comment section. I don't call people out on their bullshit. I sympathize with people who play differently than me. I try to understand where someone as a person stands on my topic of discussion. I don't insult their comments. [i]-Totally Not Kabr, AKA, Turfer.[/i]

Gjallahorn cheese is stupid. You don't need gjallahorn for anything. If enough of you -blam!-ing hit crota with normal rockets he will go down. Atheon is actually easier without rocket firing assholes. He moves when you fire rockets or grenades. Snipers kill him quicker. -blam!-ing moron.

im a -blam!-ing moron even though i agree with your point? i solo crota WITHOUT ghorn... so youre kinda preaching to the quire broski.. try being less belligerent? oh wait these are bungie forums... silly me.

No you want the update. I don't. The only part of the update I want is the auto buff. Everything else is just like what happened the first time. Nerf one buff one and you'll always have imbalance. But leave one alone and bring the others to it and you have balance. Bungie is about to nerf my favorite weapon class because of some -blam!-ing kinds getting killed by thorn. I've loved handcannons since the beginning. -blam!- you stupid shit heads that can't deal with a dot weapon. -blam!- you for ruining my favorite weapon class. Back to the days of hold down the trigger to win.

This game is reviewed as a 6/10, 7/10 game... honestly... ANY update at all is something i want, and if youre a fan you should want the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28F49QQ1OXQ i post this video because its me playing and as you can see... i dont have a "problem" with thorn and blink and high kd's at all.. im just not a complete fuking moron like you and i know what needs change and what doesnt.

[quote][quote]"M-m-muh weapons" He cried as his favorite weapons were nerfed. You guys do realize why Bungie is making everything (apart from a few exotics) UN-upgradable? They're essentially wiping the guns clean and it's OUR fault. Still using that old sniper from TDB that has final round? Not anymore. Still cheesing bosses and being an elitist about Gjallarhorn? Nope. Playing Crucible easy mode and getting the highest K/D in Crucible because Thorn? You wish. Blink Shotgunning your way to victory? R.I.P. Scrub. Destroying Sepiks, Walkers, Archon Priest, Atheon, etc with Black Hammer and Ice Breaker? Get outta here. Am I guilty of these things? Of course I am.[/quote] 1. It is never a consumers fault for paying and playing a game, abusing the guns and mechanics THEY designed isnt something you should blame yourself for... EVER. I hope you realize that kiddo. 2. Final round on a sniper will be a beast of an option and i cant wait to test out my spear with the shift in this perk. 3. so many people seem to be ignoring the fact that all rockets are getting a 10% buff is blast radius and ghorns extra damage from wolf pack rounds will still be severely effective, at least im willing to bet so, they just wont be such a crutch for elitist to make invite choices. 4. people very well might still use thorn because of its rate of fire and the fact the damage over time is still damage over time, if youre good at this game, it doesnt matter what gun you use, youll still remain ontop of the board with a high kd. 5. Cant wait for the blink nerf but again, its still going to be used because of its effectiveness of becoming unpredictable for the person shooting at you, just less effective. Doesnt mean someone is a scrub because they use what they paid for. 6. i dont even know what to say to this, plenty of people will still kill these bosses easily, not because of what guns they use but simply because of how easy it is to kill these guys in general, icebreaker or not. Are you guilty of anything at all? No, youre not. You paid for a product, and you played with what you paid for. point is, this thread is toxic and doesnt make any sense at all. i cant wait for TTK just so this sort of nonsense isnt trending.[/quote] 1: it is the player base's fault for making them "elite" weapons, not Bungie's 2: your opinion. But many will begin to dislike their final round sniper due to the lack of an automatic one hit kill (assuming they hit) 3: Gjallerhorn, although it will be [i]almost[/i] as effective as it is now, will not be carried into Year Two. So the TTK raid will not be cheesed by Gjallerhorn, due to its ineffectiveness against any enemy above level 34. 4: yup. It'll be just as effective, if not more so) in crucible. However, it won't be the weapon everybody seeks out anymore 5: Ok. Maybe they'll use blink shotgun, but maybe not, too... 6: the point is not that players cheese bosses, raids, strikes, or whatever. Players will do that regardless of how much the developer tries to get them not to. It is that Bungie doesn't want people doing things the same way they did in year one. PvP will probably remain similar, but the PvE endgame will probably change... A lot.

its the players fault for making guns elite that are made to be elite by the developers? .. im just going to stop there.

It's their fault for exclusively using them and [i]excluding other players for not having them[/i]

it is [b]NEVER[/b] a consumers fault for playing with what they paid for. the only fault is that elitist make elite decisions on what and who plays with them. the update will attempt to fix that among other things.

Ok. You have your opinion. I have mine. I see where you are coming from, but I don't think I could ever change your mind, so I will cease to attempt to argue against your "Consumers are[quote][b][i][u]NEVER[/u][/i][/b][/quote] to blame" argument.