[quote][quote]"M-m-muh weapons" He cried as his favorite weapons were nerfed. You guys do realize why Bungie is making everything (apart from a few exotics) UN-upgradable? They're essentially wiping the guns clean and it's OUR fault. Still using that old sniper from TDB that has final round? Not anymore. Still cheesing bosses and being an elitist about Gjallarhorn? Nope. Playing Crucible easy mode and getting the highest K/D in Crucible because Thorn? You wish. Blink Shotgunning your way to victory? R.I.P. Scrub. Destroying Sepiks, Walkers, Archon Priest, Atheon, etc with Black Hammer and Ice Breaker? Get outta here. Am I guilty of these things? Of course I am.[/quote] 1. It is never a consumers fault for paying and playing a game, abusing the guns and mechanics THEY designed isnt something you should blame yourself for... EVER. I hope you realize that kiddo. 2. Final round on a sniper will be a beast of an option and i cant wait to test out my spear with the shift in this perk. 3. so many people seem to be ignoring the fact that all rockets are getting a 10% buff is blast radius and ghorns extra damage from wolf pack rounds will still be severely effective, at least im willing to bet so, they just wont be such a crutch for elitist to make invite choices. 4. people very well might still use thorn because of its rate of fire and the fact the damage over time is still damage over time, if youre good at this game, it doesnt matter what gun you use, youll still remain ontop of the board with a high kd. 5. Cant wait for the blink nerf but again, its still going to be used because of its effectiveness of becoming unpredictable for the person shooting at you, just less effective. Doesnt mean someone is a scrub because they use what they paid for. 6. i dont even know what to say to this, plenty of people will still kill these bosses easily, not because of what guns they use but simply because of how easy it is to kill these guys in general, icebreaker or not. Are you guilty of anything at all? No, youre not. You paid for a product, and you played with what you paid for. point is, this thread is toxic and doesnt make any sense at all. i cant wait for TTK just so this sort of nonsense isnt trending.[/quote] 1: it is the player base's fault for making them "elite" weapons, not Bungie's 2: your opinion. But many will begin to dislike their final round sniper due to the lack of an automatic one hit kill (assuming they hit) 3: Gjallerhorn, although it will be [i]almost[/i] as effective as it is now, will not be carried into Year Two. So the TTK raid will not be cheesed by Gjallerhorn, due to its ineffectiveness against any enemy above level 34. 4: yup. It'll be just as effective, if not more so) in crucible. However, it won't be the weapon everybody seeks out anymore 5: Ok. Maybe they'll use blink shotgun, but maybe not, too... 6: the point is not that players cheese bosses, raids, strikes, or whatever. Players will do that regardless of how much the developer tries to get them not to. It is that Bungie doesn't want people doing things the same way they did in year one. PvP will probably remain similar, but the PvE endgame will probably change... A lot.