Yes, this is all from a whole year of playing. Not a whole 21 years, kid. Your '1994 Census' statement is completely irrelevant. Mind you, Crucible didn't start becoming incredibly popular before the Twitch Streamers. Mind you, that the most played Class in Crucible is Hunters. These statistics don't exactly lie. Neither do the Twitch streamers and facts/perks within the game - like the fact that Bladedancer has perks that are quite literally designed for PvP.

Yea bud never made any argument towards supers I was just using it as an example for what warlocks and Titans bitch about. And you act like there was no crucible before the people on twitch.. That actually makes me angry. Because not only did I play in the crucible before all of those streamers became possible I'm pretty sure [b]A LOT[/b] of other people did as well. We are talking about a game that has had a 20 million player base... When numbers get into the millions especially over the span of an entire year shits just gonna start to blend together. And any players playing now will never be able to adjust the stats, maybe by 0.001 at a time, but that's it. It's rock solid. Maybe [b]YOU[/b] didn't play crucible because you needed to watch others to knock off the training wheels but your argument makes no sense.. At all Maybe go back, read, and try again

Hah, be angry over a forum all you want little one. I never stated that there wasn't a Crucible before streamers, I stated that it didn't become exceedingly popular before there were streamers. Obviously, I also played Crucible before Streamers, and as always I almost exclusively play on my Titan (Favourite class.) So before you try to call me out or insult me, especially over Crucible - you should use that time to research the time played I have in Crucible.

Lol I don't even want to know you kid, you commented on my comment. I didn't seek you out, you sought me out. And you basically just disproved your argument by agreeing with me in this comment.. If you played and millions of other played then why even say that? Just to argue? Or are you not smart? [spoiler]I don't actually want to know I'm just gonna go with not smart (stupid) [/spoiler] Why would you want to keep the argument going of you just did that? And now that you've been disproven you want to have some stat battle? Bro I just gotta say that's like the faggiest thing I've ever heard, and like you tried to be threatening during it, like holy shit I was actually embarrassed that I had to read it. And if you say some dumb shit like that again I'm not even gonna respond to you bud, you're a child.

I'm sorry, but what did I agree with you on? You're the only one that makes hostile posts in response to a thread using statistics, because you apparently don't want it to be known that you exclusively play on a Hunter. All I said was that I also did play Crucible before streamers. My original statement was that Crucible didn't become [i]overly popular[/i] until Streamers. That's a well-known fact, as well. You haven't gone to any length to further explain why you think that the statistics of raw data is wrong, especially since all data and statistics - no matter where you pull it from - has a margin of error (which you seem to have forgotten.) In fact, instead of arguing actual data or facts - all you've seem to have done is resort to insults at either ones intelligence, or their age - which really shows your own. You can't refute data, no matter how hard you try. There will always be margin of error - this post wasn't made to be the 'Absolute 100% Fact!', it was made to display data to attempt to reduce the amount of complaining about Titan's skill trees that's been going on lately. Come again.

[quote]All I said was that I also did play Crucible before streamers. My original statement was that Crucible didn't become [i]overly popular[/i] until Streamers. That's a well-known fact, as well.[/quote] Oh yea this is a fact? If this to you is a "well-known fact" you might actually have a mental disability. You're the one saying that I don't know what the data is and I have no support. Where's your support on this, this is an opinion, but you're blind to that because you're a hypocritical douche bag. Like you'll say anything just to argue because you don't want to be wrong, you'll say whatever you want just to keep this going. You are [b]stupid[/b], you need to log off the forums. Like I can't even tell if you're trying to be reasonable or a troll. And I'm leaning more towards troll at this point cause nothing you've written so far made any sense. And that in turn makes me take you less seriously. But here's a good idea, stop replying to me. [spoiler]Thanks[/spoiler]

Once again you have failed to refute any points I made in even my original post. You made several posts insulting me, sure, once again. You're telling me to log off the forums, but you seem to be taking these forums so seriously that you [i]actually get angry over them[/i]. Keep living your life attempting to call other people hypocritical, when you can't even provide a stable argument that contrasts with an argument made against your [i]original point[/i] without insulting someone - and you call me a child?

Bro you're calling your opinions facts... You said that the crucible wasn't popular until streamers got popular. But how do you know that? You don't. And you said that you played the crucible before the streamers too, and so did I. And if it wasn't just you and I playing all this time then I'm gonna go ahead and guess that a few million people took to the crucible before it was "popular". Which again with so many people logging on and stop playing and other people continuing to play and change. The numbers will start to blend making them useless. Which is why I over exaggerated and used something as outrageous as my 1994 comment. [spoiler]See I did that all without insults[/spoiler] [spoiler]Now the mean part, I seriously cannot put up with people being stupid. Like you're gonna blast your opinions and hold onto them like a religion and it's the same with everyone else on the forums. All the arguments are the same after they lose the first point. Like you went to stats and insulted my grammar or how I communicate to others such as yourselves. And you say that I didn't address them but I did you just are blind to it like I said in the comment before cause that's just what people do I guess, stupid people. It's like a plague seriously and I can no longer spend anymore time on you cause I honestly feel like if I let you corrupt me with your stupid I actually become something like you. Just a opinion hugging idoit[/spoiler]

The only thing I claimed as fact was that once people started streaming and making the Crucible more publicly popular, the numbers weren't as large as they are now - nowhere near it. Yes, there were players. No, not as much. Then you say "if I let you corrupt me with your stupid I actually become smoething like you. Just an opinion hugging idiot." Ok, so all of the ridiculous opinions and insults you made in your OP to the OP - that wasn't all opinions that you're currently defending, right? You keep talking about me being a hypocrite, but you don't seem to realize that you're doing the same thing. After all, that's what an argument is. It's a debate of opinions or hot topics. For example, you stating your opinion: "Hunters supers were nerfed several times already." What? No. No Subclass has ever been touched save for a couple bug fixes, that's it. Like the Super/Swarm Grenade exploit. No classes or subclasses or supers, or grenades have [i]EVER[/i] been nerfed. The only nerf that's [i]coming[/i] is the Blink nerf in TTK, which despite some people's opinions - the masses agree with the nerf.

Golden gun got a range nerf and bladedancer got an orb nerf so yeah...

No they didn't. Find me a direct link to the patch notes that dictates this, because I am 99% sure that this never happened. Golden Gun even has a perk to increase it's range and accuracy. Bladedancer has always produced very little orbs, always.

This is basically what I have been saying but without the hostility. Pulling data from the launch of HoW would give a better picture of the current state. The data provided here contains the first few months when hunters were clearly the majority and dominated the top 100. I say drop all the data pre HoW so we can compare apples to apples.