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Just saw this on Facebook and it sums my opinion nicely: She put her hand on the Bible and swore an oath to uphold the constitution, not the other way around.
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  • Constitution gives the basic right of Freedom of Religion. I know what you're about to type so let me save you a bit of time. It can be argued that forcing her to issue licenses to homosexuals is against her religion. Forcing someone to do something against their religion infringes on their basic right guaranteed in the constitution of Religion. Forcing her to quit is unethical because in effect, she lost her job because she chose to follow her religion, which is again, protected by the constitution.

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  • Freedom of religion means the state can't establish one or deny your practice therein. By allowing an agent of the state to assert her Christian beliefs it is a de facto selection of religion. Furthermore, while at work she is the state, and denying Christian gays and lesbians the right to practice their religion. Check and mate

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  • [quote]Freedom of religion means the state can't establish one or deny your practice therein.[/quote] Exactly, so forcing her to go against it is against the constitution. [quote]Furthermore, while at work she is the state, and denying Christian gays and lesbians the right to practice their religion.[/quote] So your solution Is to force her to do something against her religion? Isn't this unconstitutional? Who's at the state, she is a member of the state but also a living person who beliefs. By forcing her to issue marriage licenses, you're infringing on her right of Freedom of religion. Which is against the constitution...which normally overrules laws. [quote]Check and mate[/quote] Really a silly thing for someone to say who's barely begun his argument.

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  • You seem to be avoiding where your argument falls apart: While conducting her job: SHE IS THE STATE. The government does not discriminate, it does not establish a religion, it does not keep someone from practicing theirs. WHILE AT WORK SHE IS THE GOVERNMENT. NOT A PRIVATE CITIZEN Same argument but from a different angle: A soldier who says killing is against their religion. The Army gets them out. If your religion hampers you from doing your job then quit or be fired.

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  • [quote]You seem to be avoiding where your argument falls apart: While conducting her job: SHE IS THE STATE.[/quote] You seem to avoid the fact that the constitution grants the freedom of religion. She is the state. She is a person. She is obligated by oath. She has the right to practice her religion. Do you see the dilemma? You cannot side with one and ignore the other. You can't say she's the state like she's not a person. Being objective here. [quote]The government does not discriminate, it does not establish a religion, it does not keep someone from practicing theirs. [/quote] SO WHAT THE HELL DO YOU CALL THROWING SOMEONE IN JAIL BECAUSE SHE WON'T DISOBEY HER RELIGION? Yelling is fun. [quote]WHILE AT WORK SHE IS THE GOVERNMENT. NOT A PRIVATE CITIZEN[/quote] Under this clause, is this how you justify telling her to disobey her religion? You forget that the constitution says "Freedom of Religion". It doesn't say "Except when you work for the state." No, it provides protection at all times. I guess it would be accurate to say that when you work for the state, rights to apply to you anymore? If rights apply to you while you work at the state, then you're wrong in that she has no basis of her claim. If you say rights don't apply to her while she works at the state, then why have rights of they are void the second you start working for the government? Are you in effect overruling the constitution? [quote]Same argument but from a different angle: A soldier who says killing is against their religion. The Army gets them out.[/quote] A sane person wouldn't become a soldier if they were against killing. It cannot be compared to issuing marriage licenses. [quote]If your religion hampers you from doing your job then quit or be fired.[/quote] Quitting is entirely up to you. Firing someone for obeying their religion which is protected by the Law is unconstitutional and unethical.

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  • Her religion gets in the way of her job. Time to quit

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