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9/4/2015 1:27:17 AM
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What people don't get, is that freedom of religion means you're free to practice your faith. That does NOT mean you can ignore FEDERAL LAW. The states tried to ignore Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education, and look what happened, it didn't work.
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[quote]What people don't get, is that freedom of religion means you're free to practice your faith. That does NOT mean you can ignore FEDERAL LAW. The states tried to ignore Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education, and look what happened, it didn't work.[/quote]
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[quote]What people don't get, is that freedom of religion means you're free to practice your faith. That does NOT mean you can ignore FEDERAL LAW. The states tried to ignore Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education, and look what happened, it didn't work.[/quote]
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PREACH.
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The irony
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Oh yeah, preach with religion against homosexual marriage. Bad word use on my part lmao.
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Okay now the argument is that if she were to issue those licenses, she'd be in direct violation of her faith. So she chaos not to. Now she is being punished for practicing her faith which is protected by THE CONSTITUTION. Brown vs. Topeka didn't bring up religion. The basis of that was "Separate but Equal". Know your history.
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she isn't being punished. she chose not to do her job so now she's paying the cost
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She can practice her faith all she wants in non-government jobs. Her function literally is to uphold that law as a government employee. If she doesn't like it, she should seek other employment because that's the -blam!-ing law now. She has no right as a government employee to deny marriage licenses. None whatsoever. The State says that gays can receive those licenses, so they can receive those licenses. End of story.
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Freedom of religion means you can practice what you want, but it doesn't mean you can ignore FEDERAL LAW. Topeka was an example of people ignoring FEDERAL LAW and losing.
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Difference between this and Topeka is that they didn't have a religious basis which is protected by the constitution. A Federal Law cannot overrule a Constitutional right. Correct me if I'm wrong. Now she has a right to freedom of religion. Her religion prevents her from giving those licenses to gay couples. It can be concluded that it is [b]unlawful[/b] for her to refuse those licenses [i]but it is [b]unconstitutional[/b] to punish her or force her to do it.[/i]
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The Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage is a right protected by the 14th amendment
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Federal Law can modify Constitutional Amendments. Like how we have Freedom of Speech, yet can't yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre. Again, you can practice what you want, as long as it doesn't infringe on Federal Law or the rights of others.
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The churches shouldnt the courts should. there everyones happy its not hard.
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Edited by Shiloh Ivy: 9/4/2015 2:30:02 AMKeyword: [b]Can[/b] It hasn't. And by that logic, we shouldn't infringe on this woman's beliefs.
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[quote]Keyword: [b]Can[/b] It hasn't.[/quote] Did I not just give an example? [quote]And by that logic, we shouldn't infringe on this woman's beliefs.[/quote] Yes, but Federal Law takes precedence over religion. That part is covered by the "Separation of Church and State" clause. [i]In 1878, the Supreme Court was first called to interpret the extent of the Free Exercise Clause in Reynolds v. United States, as related to the prosecution of polygamy under federal law. The Supreme Court upheld Reynolds' conviction for bigamy, deciding that to do otherwise would provide constitutional protection for a gamut of religious beliefs, including those as extreme as human sacrifice.[/i] So, as you can see, Federal Law [b]can[/b] restrict religious beliefs.
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[quote]Yes, but Federal Law takes precedence over religion. That part is covered by the "Separation of Church and State" clause. [/quote] Separation of Church and State clause means that no Law can be made with influence of Religion. [quote]So, as you can see, Federal Law [b]can[/b] restrict religious beliefs.[/quote] Can it restrict this one then?
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[quote]Can it restrict this one then?[/quote] Yes. No one is being forced to hand out marriage licenses considering how you can always quit if you disagree with the law.
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But you're forcing someone to quit because of their religious beliefs?
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No, that's only their reason behind them not doing their job. Not doing their job is the basis for them getting fired.
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Edited by David The Grey: 9/4/2015 3:18:20 AMI'm sorry I explained the best I could, and you still don't get it. So, either you're stupid, or completely unwilling to listen and accept what I say as Fact. I'm done, I'm out, Flood help you. Flood help us all...
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I was about to agree with you, but since you wanna be a dick.
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I'm sorry, who's the one that's been using a circular argument? It's abundantly clear the only reason you instigated this dialogue is because you just wanted some vindication. And please, prove me wrong.
