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9/7/2015 4:21:34 AM
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[i]You don't need to emphasize your points so much, is what I'm getting at. I fully understand what you're saying. It just makes you come off as overly aggressive.
As I said, I'm not arguing the numbers behind it all. Yes, it does take more power to wipe out a single planet than it does to wipe all life from the galaxy. That's not the point. If anything, it only proves that the Halo Array accomplishes more than the Death Star with less energy required, meaning more efficiency.
I should have been clearer on my point regarding maintenance. What I meant was, the Halos have been around for 100,000 years without any outside influence. Nothing but the Rings' own systems to maintain themselves. The Death Stars require living crews to maintain and repair them. What I'm saying is, how would either of the Death Stars fair after 100,000 years with no crew to maintain, like the Halos have endured?
I'm not even going to acknowledge the Force here, because it's unquantifiable space magic. I don't see the Force protecting anyone from a Forerunner-induced supernova. [/i]
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Right i get the halos are a more effective and efficient weapon. (Dont mean to be so aggressive on the forums; by product of dealing with the flood questioning [b][i][u]every single post ive made on validity[/u][/i][/b]) But that wasnt my point or argument. All i was saying IS the death star IS more powerful and with the math's ive posted i HAVE proven it. I KNOW the halos are more efficient and effective at their designed purpose. The death star's shielding and contained computer regulated environment WOULD ALSO keep it operational [b][i][u]indefinitely[/u][/i][/b] so long as nothing aboard broke. The Halo systems do have a crew; AI and nano tech for self repair. Does the SAME purpose as a manned crew. I do get the halos are more efficient but im not questioning, arguing, debating, or bashing that idea. Just saying the death star is more powerful and thats it.
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Edited by UnboundRelyks: 9/7/2015 4:45:33 AM[quote]The death star's shielding and contained computer regulated environment WOULD ALSO keep it operational [b][i][u]indefinitely[/u][/i][/b][/quote] [i]Do you have anything to support or substantiate that claim?[/i] [quote]The Halo systems do have a crew; AI and nano tech for self repair. Does the SAME purpose as a manned crew.[/quote] [i]That's all a part of the Halo's system, though. No outside forces required. It's all automated. The Death Stars require living crews to maintain them and repair any damage sustained. What I'm asking is, if Halo fired and wiped out all life, which one do you believe would stand the test of time longer? A Halo or a Death Star?[/i]
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The death stars crew is part of the death stars designed on board systems; Death star requires organic manned crew Halo requires automated crew They both require something to care for it The death star's reactor outputs the the power equal to a small STAR. If it just sits around doing nothing it can be maintained indefinitely.
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Edited by UnboundRelyks: 9/7/2015 5:05:26 AM[i]The Death Star's crew is not a part of the Death Star. The Halos actually make their own Sentinels and whatnot for repairs. Are you suggesting that the Death Star is capable of actively churning out its own biological crew under its own power? Also, there's this:[/i] [quote][i]if Halo fired and wiped out all life, which one do you believe would stand the test of time longer?A Halo or a Death Star?[/i][/quote] [i]You seem to have skipped over that part. [/i]
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death star's reactor outputs the the power equal to a small STAR. If it just sits around doing nothing it can be maintained indefinitely So no i did not miss what would happen if the crew vanished. 1/3 the crew are droids on death star built on death star. Storm troopers and imp officers ARE MOSTLY clones. No they are not produced on death star; They are produced to manage and run the death star though. The death star has life support; barracks; mess halls; and food production and waste management ; IT WAS designed to support a manned crew and depend on it.
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[i]I'm not worried about its power supply. I'm talking about how long it will take before it falls apart. A closed system will always fall into a state of entropy. If my memory is worth a damn, that's the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The Death Star is very much a closed system under the scenario I've suggested, where all life is eradicated from the galaxy. It's a question of whether a Halo or a Death Star can last longer without biological influence. [/i]
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Edited by DarthBrando: 9/7/2015 6:36:22 AMTrue but; as long as its shields/blast armor is up and it is in a safe portion of space (in a star system where not much is happening so its "safe" from cosmic rays and massive celestial impactors) It should not corrode or fall apart. Its powersupply and shields WOULD eventually run out; For the alloys it is made of to degrade tho we are talking millions to billions of years. (Space is vast; its not largely empty but EVERYTHING in it is extremely FAR apart. They have estimated the voyager 1&2 space probes WILL last 1-3 BILLION YEARS before they fall apart and they ARE NOT SHIELDED OR ARMORED)
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[i]They're also much smaller and much less likely to collide with another celestial body. That's another advantage Halo has towards its longevity over the Death Star; they're not free-floating, they're in stable obits around gas giants. The first Death Star was free to roam, and the second one likely would have been as well upon completion. [/i]
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Edited by DarthBrando: 9/7/2015 6:45:39 AMHalos diameter is larger than the death stars Orbits can decay by push or pull by a more massive gravitation force passing by the star system by the way and gas giant's gravity is soo immense that if you drop a titanium box 1km into it's atmosphere it will be crushed by its own weight.
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Edited by UnboundRelyks: 9/7/2015 6:52:42 AM[i]Halos are also rings, while Death Stars are spherical. While a Halo is 10,000 kilometers in diameter, it is only about 318 kilometers wide and 22.3 kilometers thick. Any given section of the ring is a smaller target than the Death Stars. Furthermore, Halos have defense mechanisms against hazardous collisions, and orbit is maintained by the Monitor. [/i]
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Edited by DarthBrando: 9/7/2015 6:55:15 AMYea i get its got defenses an what not but also: A hollow large object is MORE fragile than a solid one. A sphere is the strongest geometric shape. If the halo's orbit decays an the gravity of the gas giant it is orbiting applies torsion in just the right way; the ring can snap Halo is 2/3 the diameter of EARTH death star is smaller than earths moon Halo is far more susceptible to torsion and torque the death star isnt.
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[i]But the orbit won't decay, as it's maintained by the Monitor/Sentinels. The point is moot. [/i]
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Really? So a passing by neutron star or depleted core of a neutron star that could rip it in two and into the gas giant even if it passes by from 2 billion miles away ur sayin that jus wont happen? Cuz it could and thats how strong the gravity on those things are. Doesnt have to be something THAT extreme tho; there are a couple dozen thousand cosmic objects that can vastly change orbits with their own gravity extremely quickly.
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[i]Worst-case scenario, Halos are capable of entering Slipspace. If a great enough threat proves to be otherwise unavoidable, the Halos can literally leave reality as we perceive it. [/i]
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Ok that does work then for the scenario i mentioned. Death star has hyper drive tho and droids so even devoid of humans on it, it can do something similar.
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[i]Are the Death Stars' droids intelligent enough to pilot the station, though? I was under the impression that they were little more than janitorial equipment. [/i]
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Protocol droids and astromechs are fully capable and some are just as smart as 3po and r2d2
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[i]Your source?[/i]
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Look up the lore on R2-q5 and RA7 (astromech and protocol droid respectively on the 1st death star) R2q5 actually stopped ig88 from destroying the death star once; single handedly too.
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[i]But do they have the ability to repair themselves and each other? How long before they break down? Especially with no one around to wipe their memories, astromechs tend to become "quirky" over time. [/i]
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Quirky means develop personalities; side effect of their type of ai operating system used. Yea they can fix each other (c3p0 gets put back together by r2) an astromechs are highly adept combat mechanics; imperial protocol droids mostly manage allocation of tasks and designating what resources go where while managing systems per those systems schedules ect. The astro mechs handle the repairs, moving things around with other more basic droids and also network security.
