[quote]1. I didnt google it myself but i figured itd be common knowledge by now, pretty sure my jolders will beat your btrd any day.[/quote] Doubtful, but whatever. I have it equipped just for you if you'd like to go scope it out for yourself. [quote]Vanilla weapons dont have reforge, but they have perks you cant get, my SUPREMECY is a good example.[/quote] So what stops Bungie from making NEW perks that are just as good if not better? =P [quote]2. YES there are degrees to OP. Youre trying to twist my words and thats why you are claiming there is a non existent contradiction.[/quote] Either something is overpowered or not. Period. [quote]Are you saying there is no difference in thorn op to say a handcannon that would one shot someone all the time? Theres different levels to op and there always has.[/quote They would both be considered OP. I can't believe you're even asking that question. There is no gray area, only right or wrong, weak or strong, overpowered or not overpowered, fair or unfair. I deal in absolutes, not subjective reality dictated by personal opinion. [quote]3. Never said machine guns arent, but theyre guns, not rockets so you dodge them differently. Makes no difference to the argument though.[/quote] You know what is making a difference to the argument, though? The fact you keep ignoring questions that I'm asking you. Starting to irritate me, bud. You taking this seriously or just jerking me around?