Youre just being ignorant. There is definitely a grey area when talking about overpowered. Not everything is just op or not op, there is degrees to op, of course they would both be considered op but which one is MORE op? Obviously the handcannon that one shots you. I can argue that thorn is not op, cause i dont think it is. Im not ignoring anything, youre just giving me alot to reply to and i have to go back in forth to type in my edits. On top of that, youre just not accepting the answer because like i mentioned originally, youre just failing to see the point. They probably are making new perks, whether they are better or not, dont know but that doesnt change much either way. Its mainly the fact that the removed perks from certain weapon types are on these vanilla weapons, more or less not that it makes them op, although my jolders hammer, and supremecy easily outdo most new snipers because of one or two now unobtainable perks.