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originally posted in: LEGALIZE MARIJUANA
9/12/2015 10:14:02 PM
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I've been requested to add links supporting my FACTUAL claims. Carcinogens presence: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12412839/ ( read the abstract) Estrogen-like activity: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6296360/ (This is why it shrinks testicles and causes gynecomastia) Physiological brain changes in marijuana users: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10772599/ (it shrinks your brain... Surprise!!) Psychological events related to cannabis use: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/#!po=0.980392
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  • Hahaha so you found a couple of links and that proves your point ? You really must be dumb. I'm not saying that to bug you. I really do think you may be dumb. If you really think that posting 5 or 6 links that you searched for proves your point then my friend you really look stupid. Will I post 100 links that show its harmless ??? If I do that will u accept what I'm saying as fact. Because trust me I could go out there with rose tinted glasses on and find 100000 links supporting mj. This is a serious question . If I do that will u accept that it proves my point ???? Remember this is your logic we are using here so be careful how u answer. You could end up looking more stupid and ignorant than u already look. Can't wait to hear your reply to this one

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  • You are a sad individual. If you don't trust peer reviewed scientific journal articles that have stood the test of scrutiny and time, what [i]do[/i] you trust? Dr Oz? Conspiracy theorists? Random authors in High Times magazine? Sorry for you if you don't have an education in a field of science, but I haven't just posted random links, you goddamned moron. This is rigorous science. Please feel free to do your own research. But everything I posted is legitimate science that backs my claims. Go smoke another joint, it's doing wonders for your IQ

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  • I don't smoke it. Point is again I'm sure I can and will find proven scientific studies debunking all that u posted. What you posted are not facts. You posted one side of the argument. Now please do us all a favour and fûck right off

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  • I was asked to provide sources and I did. It it you and your ilk who are being extremely closed-minded. I knew providing CREDIBLE SOURCES wouldn't satisfy people dead-set in an agenda. No surprise. Keep on spreading that misinformation, chief! I'll go ahead and mute you now because frankly I'm annoyed with you and trying to cut ignorant people out of my life whenever possible.

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  • [quote]I've been requested to add links supporting my FACTUAL claims. [/quote] [/quote] Carcinogens presence: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12412839/ ( read the abstract) [/quote] This is plain stupid. If you burn ANYTHING then inhale the smoke, carcinogens will be present. That one is a no brainer. [quote]Estrogen-like activity: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6296360/ (This is why it shrinks testicles and causes gynecomastia) Physiological brain changes in marijuana users: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10772599/ (it shrinks your brain... Surprise!!) [/quote] These 2 are cute. You obviously didn't look at the dates of the articles that you are posting. Both were from [b][u]1983[/u][/b]! (Good year I might add since that's the year of my birth) 32 years ago. Do you think research has advanced any? [quote]Psychological events related to cannabis use: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/#!po=0.980392 [/quote] And finally, the only one that may hold credibility, you hope. Let me introduce you to Dr. Grinspoon. http://www.truthonpot.com/2013/04/06/does-marijuana-cause-schizophrenia/ http://www.angelfire.com/planet/cannabis/schizophrenia.html http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLXOkx7p7vs

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  • Did you read your Grinspoon article? It says the following: "Even still, the fact that psychosis is a common side-effect of THC is not enough to even say that marijuana has a detrimental effect on schizophrenics or schizophrenia-prone people." Did you see that? FACT: Psychosis is a common side effect. Now read what I wrote initially. You lose.

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  • Did you even read yours? These findings implicate genetic factors as important contributors to the cannabis-psychosis link, but they are in need of replication. - See more at: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/schizophrenia/cannabis-psychosis-link/page/0/3#sthash.CpJNksjW.dpuf

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  • [quote]Did you even read yours? These findings implicate genetic factors as important contributors to the cannabis-psychosis link, but they are in need of replication. - See more at: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/schizophrenia/cannabis-psychosis-link/page/0/3#sthash.CpJNksjW.dpuf[/quote] I did read mine. Here's all we need. It's from the conclusion section: "The evidence suggests that cannabis is associated with an increased risk of psychosis when it is used frequently..." All I ever said was that it is associated with psychiatric conditions. Now get off my jock, man :)

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  • Edited by Unicorn Goo: 9/13/2015 9:40:34 AM
    And driving your car everyday is associated with death. In other words there has to be contributing factors that lead to this causal relationship. And here is another study that reiterates what I'm saying, http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/184/2/110 In your original post you brought up more then psychosis, which I also debunked.

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  • Thanks for proving my point . Their conclusion states the following: Conclusions: Cases of psychotic disorder could be prevented by discouraging cannabis use among vulnerable youths.

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  • Cannabis use appears to be neither a sufficient nor a necessary cause for psychosis. It is a component cause, part of a complex constellation of factors leading to psychosis. From the same link I posted. And could you please post all of the information that you are quoting from the link. You conveniently left out the part that goes against your claims

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  • Dude, all I ever said is that it is associated with psychiatric conditions. You have proven this repeatedly.

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  • Edited by Unicorn Goo: 9/13/2015 2:48:11 PM
    [quote]Physiological brain changes in marijuana users: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10772599/ (it shrinks your brain... Surprise!!) Psychological events related to cannabis use: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/#!po=0.980392[/quote] There is the quote from your original post. Where do you say it is associated with it? [spoiler][b]NOWHERE[/b][/spoiler] I see where you say it shrinks your brain but nothing where you say it is associated with it

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  • You have to know what the word "physiological" means. That study shows shrinking grey matter.

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  • [quote]I see where you say it shrinks your brain but nothing where you say it is associated with it[/quote] A quote from my post. Did I say anything about psychological effects? Nope. Nice pointless comment due to your misunderstanding of grammar

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  • [quote][quote]I see where you say it shrinks your brain but nothing where you say it is associated with it[/quote] A quote from my post. Did I say anything about [b][i]psychological[/i][/b] effects? Nope. Nice pointless comment due to your misunderstanding of grammar[/quote] Please reread my comment, dipshit. PHYSIOLOGICAL is different than PSYCHOLOGICAL. You have now made yourself look absolutely silly. [i]Physiological[/i] refers to the [i][b]physical[/b][/i] aspects of the human body.

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  • Regardless of what my phone auto corrects. You still do not say anything about it being associated with it. (Psychosis )

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  • Here's the link again, I suggest you read the abstract and conclusion, if not the whole thing. It discusses everything I've been saying, and it's from 2008. Psychological events related to cannabis use: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2424288/#!po=0.980392

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  • There is increasing evidence that the association is biologically plausible, but given the complex nature of the aetiology of schizophrenia and related disorders, it is unlikely that the relationship will be due to an interaction between cannabis use and a single gene.  They sure do sound sure of themselves don't they. Taken from the conclusion of the link you provided

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  • Edited by Kohaku Koi: 9/13/2015 4:03:36 PM
    [quote]Regardless of what my phone auto corrects. You still do not say anything about it being associated with it. (Psychosis )[/quote] Ok. This is getting hilarious. You clearly didn't know the difference between the two words. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Now, if you read the article I posted about PSYCHOLOGICAL effects it very plainly states that psychosis is an effect of MJ use. (Psychosis is a psychological condition, FYI) It's only a few sentences into the abstract. It is also COMMON KNOWLEDGE among anyone in the medical field. You are so far out of your element I feel really sorry to see you floundering. Autocorrect knows the difference between physiological and psychological, by the way.

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  • Lol, floundering. I have posted 8 links to back up my claims while you are still stuck on the original 4 you posted. I think you are the one floundering bub

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  • You are clearly out of your element when you can't discern between simple terms pertaining to the subject at hand. If you think bulk of sources is superior to quality, there is no hope for this discussion. Let's just be done.

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  • Says the guy who posted research articles from [b][u]1983[/u][/b] to back up his claims. Cute

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  • Quality article from 1983 that still hold up to scrutiny 30 years later. Yes, I stand behind that

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  • Even after I posted 3 articles that negate it. You standing by a study that's over 30 years old is like me standing by studies that are from the same time that says tobacco doesn't cause cancer.

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