Wow... You seem really angry. Is that all really from these forums? Or do you have other issues in your life? You keep referring to players as casual but what does that really mean? Everyone who played the game bought at least some parts of it. I feel bad for the kids that maybe can't spend the money on the expansion but still liked to play crucible. It just seems odd that Bungie would do it the way they did. This is my first experience with Bungie though, are they known for doing things like this? *And I think your point about newer weapons having better perks isn't really accurate. In my opinion, the best pvp weapons for regular crucible would be some older vanilla ones, and any HOW reforge weapons with God rolls. The newer perks have been purposely nerfed. That's part of the reason they nerfed field scout.