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originally posted in:Collective Of Knowledge
Edited by BrotherWalker:
9/23/2015 2:06:55 AM
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Worms = Ahamkara
The Speaker = Taox
Sathona = "Warlock"
Xi Ro= "Titan"
Aurash = "Hunter"
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Wtf is up with your status dude?
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What do you mean? I play a lot of Crucible. Apparently I wreck kids on forums sometimes too.
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Sorry for my bad spelling and grammar I'm on my phone and auto correct is annoying. Well turns into we'll and such.
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Like you even admitted it. I was putting it very blunt. Most others agree like you kind of did . It's just so silly to the point where it's hard to bring up better points because it should be obvious
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I was mostly saying that the stupid part was the Titan warlock and hunter because to be honest that just made no sense. And I became open to the worm one.
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Yeah maybe have a conversation first next time before you start acting like a dick and calling things stupid.
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Nice.
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Edited by Bee: 9/22/2015 3:32:10 PMWell... The Worms being Ahamkara I am 100% with, anyone who disagrees has no better idea or evidence to back it up. They even call the fricking things dragons in this grimoire. Taox being the Speaker though, that's a stretch. We know that the Speaker is Human, and Taox is this "Krill" species. A biped with three eyes, not sure that's our Speaker.
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Edited by A Rising Wind: 9/22/2015 3:55:14 PMThere are two scenarios: worms = ahamkara or worms parasite have infected other species including ahamkara The "oh bearer of mine" is a dead give away. The description of Yul is very dragon like. Yet in the "id shut them all in cells.." card about dragons, he says our gods should be ours alone. Which could easily mean the dragon (ahamkara) contains the same worm parasite (God) as the hive. To say worm = ahamkara would imply that in the past guardians killed some of the hive gods, because we defeated the ahamkara. But yet Toland is trying to figure out the names of the hive gods after that happened. If we fought Yul or eir or akka or some other unnamed ahamkara, we wouldn't be so unsure about the hive or its origins, at least I think so I think all the book of sorrows says is that the worms, whose true nature and species is not known, commune directly with the darkness, and their parasite have infected at least the hive and ahamkara. I think there is interpretation for both. But you guys know a lot more than I on this
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With the points you have presented I think we can narrow it down to two possibilities. One, the Hive gods Ahamkara are special Ahamkara that have the ability to commune with the darkness, while other lesser Ahamkara were hunted down by Guardians, or two, that some sort of Darkness-infused parasite infected some Ahamkara and made them able to commune with the Darkness and able to do things normal Ahamkara wouldn't. I think the second one is a tad more contrived, but you never know. We really need to learn more about the Ahamkara to better understand their abilities and purposes, here's to hoping they get brought up sooner rather than to more likely later.
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Check again I said Taox could be the Speaker not the Traveler
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Oops, sorry. While I see why that theory could make sense, as I said the Speaker is Human.
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I don't think we do know that the Speaker is human. Have you read his grimoire card? I see nothing about being a human. In fact all it does it make him seem even more mysterious and less understood than we thought.
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I remember seeing somewhere that he was human, even then he's obviously a male.
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Gender doesn't seem to mean much with the krill people/hive. Oryx was a female too at one point but it's been millennia and Taox isn't exactly trying to be recognizable as who they once were. Where else would they go to flee from the Hive? And I don't put much credence in "I know I saw it somewhere once" arguments. You can go read the Speaker card right now and see that nowhere does it mention any race or point of origination for the Speaker.
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Worms are not Ahamkara
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Edited by BrotherWalker: 9/22/2015 2:49:53 PMYet they speak in the same way and have curled wings and folded jaws? Oh commenter mine...
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Edited by Ruin Tree: 9/22/2015 1:50:32 PMThe Speaker isn't Taox
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Why not?
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There hasn't just been one Speaker. There have been many. And even if Taox survived long enough (some 25,000 years compared to her lifespan of ~10), she is a Hive mother. She could not be a male Speaker
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Edited by BrotherWalker: 9/23/2015 1:37:52 AMCan you tell me where you got info about there being more than one Speaker? And Taox was not hive, she was proto-hive. Oryx used to be female, and I haven't heard anyone else assign the Speaker a gender they just assume the Speaker is male because of their voice but they wear full body covering and no one has seen their face. As far as I could tell the Hive gods did not yet find Taox and fulfill their blood oath. If Taox is still on the loose where else would she hide? Would she not cling to the Traveler and convince us to do whatever we could to repair and revive it?
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Proto-Hive had a lifespan of only around ten years, and Taox was a mother. She was locked into that role. We infer that there has been more than one Speaker because a) there has always been a Speaker and b) Osiris was a Speaker in-training before he was exiled
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I see nothing in the Osiris grimoire suggesting he was ever a "speaker in training" though i would be interested to see that info if you can link it to me somewhere and the Proto-Hive [i]males[/i] had a ten year life span but in her own words Taox the sterile mother "lived long" and was chased by the Hive for centuries. And finally the only "Male" thing about the Speaker is their voice so we assume its going to be some Bill Nighy looking old dude underneath but there is nothing confirming the Speaker is a rotating position, or that the speaker is in fact a human/awoken/exo, and to be honest i cant even find anything confirming the Speaker to be male except maybe some in-game dialogue pronouns. It pretty much comes down to the fact that neither one of us can say for sure because we just dont know whats under that mask.
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Some of Brother Vance's dialogue implies that Osiris was the Speaker's apprentice, and the Osiris card seems to be from the point of view of the Speaker
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[quote]Why not?[/quote]because thats just silly.
