IDK what you're talking about haha. I WRECKED with fist of havoc! Plus I got the timing down for the shock sticks to where I would usually get multi-kills easy. I was even better using the HOW Exotic helmet that granted untouchable (or whatever that perk is where it makes your extremely hard to kill when you initiate your fist) with the ground and pound! I love my Titan and always use him! Plus I'm happy that with TTK I can go back to playing him 100% to level him up vs. trying to rotate my Hunter & Warlock.