The skill comes in being able to counter those weapons...to counter these weapons you had to have quick reflexes and the ability to adapt instantly....now u have so much time to react that reflexes or quick thinking is no longer required I suppose everyone would have a different opinion on what defines skill and that's fine...I just prefer a faster paced experience that doesn't let me slack off, I don't mind being punished for a mistake instantly and I feel it tests me more as a player if my reflexes are pushed I agree thorn was an issue and the proc damage on tlw annoying, but I did like the speed and aggression these guns allowed, I would have preferred to see a lot more stuff buffed rather then watered down