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Edited by ByteMyPixels:
10/5/2015 3:42:36 AM
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Remember a year ago when Bladedancers were OP?
Bladedancers were the bane of the crucible in fall of 2014. Invisible, damage reduction, fast, and instant killing. Till people figured out Felwinter's Lie and Fist of Panic. People found the counter. Most of the time it was a powerful shotgun with 1 or 2 shots would stop a bladedancer.
Bladerdancers and Sunbreakers are the same thing. You are just seeing more sunbreakers because they are new. There are plenty of counters to the Sunbreaker. Its just going to be a while before people settle on the best.
1. Hammer of Sol is broadcasts itself clearly- consider running. That titan is going to be aggressive, out run them or hide and then ambush them when it wears off.
2. Nova Bomb or Fist of Havoc-Yeah, they will just get killed out right with these cancelling supers
3. Shadowshot- Silence them, this turns off all supers
4. Rockets are the answer to everything.
5. SNIPERS- If shotguns are the answer to the bladedancer snipers are the answer to a HoS. Hammers fall quick and are only useful up to medium range. If you are killed at long range by a hammer... they got lucky or you didn't move.
6. Good old group fire.
All these tactics except snipers will work well on a Sunbreaker, just switch sniper with shotgun and they work well on Bladedancers too.
EDIT: Bladedancers were barely touched in the year they have been out. and when the most significant nerf happened it wasn't to the class or the super it was to a jump ability that is used by 2 classes. Bladedancers still have a great super for PVP and just like Sunbreakers are average in end game PVE. The damage reduction of the bladedancer is more than enough that if you don't have a high impact shotgun, super, or heavy, they are going to kill you. Guess what 3 things also take out a sunbreaker? in a super?
EDIT 2: Note there is legendary armor that boosts defense even more when using a solar sub class. If a Titan (who already has the most armor in the game) stacked Solar Sub-Class armor + Highest Defense Rating + Armor Buff when using HoS (which is a % of total armor). YES a Titan can become a super tank. That doesn't mean its broken it means that player has a better build than yours.
EDIT 3: [url]http://xboxclips.com/GHOST+9o5/b6f770f4-fe93-4f9a-8e94-23c5e342e9f1[/url]- High Impact snipers require 1 Crit+ extra to drop a SunBreaker in super. However Sunsingers regularly take a shotgun to the face and live [url]https://youtu.be/bq_mPCWeylc[/url]. Also lets not forget that group fire is no match for a blade dancer [url]https://youtu.be/LIFFy-OYOUY[/url]
[u][b]EDIT 4: Sunbreakers can barely survive a single Golden Gun Shot[/b][/u] [url]https://youtu.be/7-lVT6W9eSA?t=7m[/url] Time to Buff GG in PVP. HOWEVER we do not know what armor this Sunbreaker is wearing. There is armor that buffs solar sub classes and/or reduces solar damage.
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3 RepliesI bump to this. I run all three classes and I have to agree there isn't a point in nerfing HoS if the Bladedancer doesn't go down with it. They're the same style of class with the same style of counters.
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3 Replies> Fist of Panic Lol no. Its not consider a panic super if you use it to take out someone super.
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They were never op to me
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Except when I see a blade dancer I snipe him in the head and he dies.. When I see a sunbreaker I snipe him in the head, he lives, he gets a kill, I snipe him in the head again, he lives, he gets a kill, I snipe him in the body twice and run away, kills the rest of my team
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Or you could do [b]this[/b] http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/The%20CammyCakes/video/11104286
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11 RepliesThis community is basically if it kills you twice or more, it's OP and should be nerfed IMMEDIATELY. People said GG and blade dancer were OP. Even though blade dancer did get nerfed, we were used to it in crucible. Honestly if it didn't get nerfed I'd be so used to either almost killing them or killing them it wouldn't make a difference. Especially after so long. If sunbreaker gets nerfed, I could care less. I personally rely more on my gunplay and grenades more than my super anyways.
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2 RepliesAnd if golden gun could 1 shot a hammer of sol titan then what titan super would be able to counter a gg? U can't say striker cuz u can never get close to them?
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1 ReplyExcept blade dancers had their shield reduce two months in and they were made slower and less tanky. If HoS lets you compete in crucible, would you be fine with Blade dancer going back to its previous vanilla stats?
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2 RepliesOr you can do this http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/jimjam06/video/10975765
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4 RepliesBlade dancers can wreck hammer of sol. Strom trance can 2.
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4 RepliesBtw destiny hasn't been out for a whole year
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3 RepliesYou know a super is broken when it beats how broken arcblade was pre-nerf.
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7 RepliesNope sorry, unless you make our hammers shoot across the map as fast as the golden gun shoots with that insane assist aim, it will continue to take 2 golden gun shots. Stop trying to crawl your way back up to being a special little snowflake you scummy hunters.
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Edited by F1GZ: 10/4/2015 9:47:14 PMI remember when everyone thought they were op till they finally figured out that they could be oneshoted by a shotgun, shotgun meleed before the super animation was even all the way through, oneshot sniped or you could just jump around and run from them because they have no ranged attack.....
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You know if Hunters are supposed to be the fast mobile ones, how come both classes are faster than us
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It's not the strategy you need, it's what they remove. Salvage match? Say goodbye to the relic. Seriously, the special just lasts too long. Skirmish? Hah yeah right, good luck Any other matches? as long as only 2 opponents can throw hammers, you can win
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Um, bladedancers had their damage reduction nerfed into the ground within a short period of time...
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9 RepliesI have sniped 3 full health hammer of sols with my 1000yard stare and it left them with a sliver of health each time. Which is BS
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7 RepliesEdited by Y8s: 10/4/2015 8:14:50 PMThe thing about bladedancers is that they are fast, swift, but can only kill from a direct hit from CQ, making shotguns and fist a great idea. The thing with hammer is they have more health, more damage output, more range obviously. And along with it health regen. So did blade but wasnt good for the amount of armour. HoS can easily take out a sniper from long distance and regen all the health that was taken down by it. Very op. Nerf Idea- less armour. Less hammer spam. There you go. Just because supers are ment to be great doesnt mean they cant be OP
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2 RepliesBlack spindle has enough impact to kill hammer of sol on headshot.
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4 RepliesI'm managed to escape or kill Sunbreakers doing Hammer Time more than once. Admittedly, I die more often than I escape or kill them. It's a bad-A Super. But it's not unstoppable. Arc Blade is pretty comparable. I think Stormtrance may be the more formidable Super, I have only survived that once (and the warlock was already in the red when I opened up on them).
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THERE YOU HUNTERS THE UNBIASED TRUTH I WOULD HAVE SAID THIS A LONG TIME AGO BUT IM LAZY [spoiler]ALSO WHATS CAPS LOCK PEOPLE KEEP TELLING ME TO USE IT[/spoiler]
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5 RepliesDude why do people think blade dancers were so OP? Shotgun melee or a few shots with a primary and melee take care of them. It really depends on the skill of the player. They aren't hard to kill.
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Its just not as hard killing a blade dancer, compare to killing a sunbreaker...
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4 RepliesYou do realize that blade dancers weren't "Countered" as you say, but rather nerfed, heavily too. Their damage reduction was severely reduced in 2014. So if you're saying that blade dancers and sunbreakers are the same thing, then you're effectively saying sunbreakers should be nerfed as well. Learn what the -blam!- the shit you say means before you let it run out of your hands and unto your keyboard.
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They never where near as op as sunbreakers fact.
