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Edited by AYRES:
10/18/2015 4:26:49 PM
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Sunbreaker is Too Strong w/proof
Defend this please. This post will probably be ignored since there is no defence for how ridiculously OP this class is.
Edit: Lots of support actually. Thank you to everyone who is capable of thinking rationally.
Edit: Thank you for the discussion. Unfortunately I do not have time to talk to all of you. As for the state of the sunbreaker class I remain unconvinced that it is balanced.
Edit: Was Trending briefly, lets keep it up
Edit: 1400 replies not a single one has had a convincing or reasonable point to suggest that sunbreaker is balanced. Get ready for the nerf hammer titans.
Edit: 2000 replies not a single valid point suggesting why this class is balanced. You lose titans enjoy the nerf.
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5 RepliesYes sunbreaker super is strong, but without the super it is the weakest class by far, id say that balances it.
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datto is not the voice of the community why do people give these cretins such influence?
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1 ReplyScrub that is one video. Also I play with all three guardian types. So I'm not biased. The hammer of sol isn't always accurate. You can miss and be killed while using it. Hunters are a group of butthurt people that are bitching because they aren't top of the food chain. STFU and bitch about things that need fixed like an in game map needed or NERFING some boss battles.
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5 RepliesThere are a lot of people who treat Datto's opinions as if they are true and everlasting scripture. His opinions are just that; purely speculation with some numbers mingled with theory. Stop giving this hack your devotion people.
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Edited by Lull9: 10/8/2015 3:07:05 AMActually, some people have LEARNED instead of just bitching. It was easier to rack up the kills the first week or two when people were still trying to take Sunbreakers head on. Now people run and/or jump a lot. Like they should be doing. Sunbreakers have to work harder with fewer kills against smarter opponents.
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Sunbreakers its just a subclass create 4 noob kid in pvp .
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32 RepliesSunbreakers are fine. Before your bias and prejudice consume your reasoning hear me out. 1. Taking a look at the class AS A WHOLE, it's not overpowered. 2. The melee is subpar at best and Is outclassed by several other melee's (i.e. the ridiculous range of stormcallers melee) 3. The grenades are not that great. Fusion grenades were nerfed pretty hard, and the rest of the grenades are outclassed by what hunters and warlocks offer. 4. The mobility. Titans have far less agility and USEFUL movement abilities when compared to hunters and warlock. 5. All of the complimentary perks surrounding the sunbreakers, are aimed towards the SUPER. Warlocks and hunters have perks that actually benefit them in meaningful ways, both outside and inside super without losing functionality. Bungie has favored warlocks and hunters for the better part of a year, I say we let titans have this one. Let them be powerful. Because I think that's what Sunbreaker is, POWERFUL not overpowered. - Bigtime
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2 RepliesDear Sir God that was the most boring video in the universe. I am so depressed after watching your shit and listening to that droning miserable voice. Its a game, play it or don't, no one cares. Yours sincerely Donnagiveashit
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I threw a hammer at a stromtrancer and he lived while he wrecked me with his lightning beams. Nothing OP about Sunbreaker dude. The only ones complaining and making stupid comparisons are the GG hunters. Warlocks aren't complaining. Only you guys.
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4 RepliesEdited by Earl: 10/8/2015 5:26:43 AMLol. So god damn bias. It was like I was watching something put out by that mayonnaise-blooded fat-blam!- Michael Moore.
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4 RepliesI don't see how posting a video with people running to the guy who's using a super, not shooting and standing in place shows anything. I'm sure I could find a video of arc blade doing the same. I'm sure I could find a video with a Khvostov going on a crazy kill streak. The fact is that right now hunters have more PVP kills with their new super than titans have with HoS while having approximately the same number of players. I'm sorry that all of year 1 had you as the top PVP class and you have competition in year 2.
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3 RepliesSo titan can't have a 50% damage reduction super cause hunters don't want to too shoot twice. That doesn't sound balanced. The big thing people forget about or just do know about is out all the supers of this type only titan use up about a fifth of their timer for a single strike. Cost pretty much equals every thing out. If arc blade had to worry about cost for each attack you'd want it to be as effective as rocket launchers.
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the only thing strong with the sunbreaker is the sunstrike punch. If you try it on random objects they go flying and if you try it on a vex hobgoblin when its in the shield state it just pushes it far away. In my opinion the sunstrike is the only thing op about the sunbreaker subclass
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The only reason sunbreaker is strong is because their whole tree revolves around the super
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Edited by Haruchai : 10/8/2015 6:26:15 AMI thought all the tears had been shed over this. Obviously most of these kinds of threads are from kids, you know, the ones that think if they keep whining on and on that their parents will eventually relent. Why does the op believe they have a crucial bit of evidence that Bungie wasnt aware of? Do they expect Bungie to read this thread and decide that its the final piece of the puzzle they need to nerf Sunbreakers? Whiny snot nosed little kiddies, gotta lovem, hang on, no I don't. Perhaps they will tire themselves out and fall asleep watching Barney and the rest of us can get on with the game. To the op, for everything you put forward, which based on your obvious bias isnt even close to being empirical evidence (you may need a grown up to explain that to you), I am certain there has been just as much garbage put forward about other subsouls by people such as yourself pwned by better players. To Bungie, I hope you keep logs of these threads, sitting back on a Friday after work, sucking on a brew, laughing yao at these would be the way I would go.
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13 RepliesEdited by GeneralSokar: 10/7/2015 11:13:56 PMAnother whiny hunter complaining his super isn't the most dominant anymore. Not like anyone hasent seen them before. Frankly I do not care if sunbreaker gets nerfed or not, (because as we all known crying kids get there way.) Titans finally have a worthy super for pvp, and it's about time titans stop getting there asses handed to them by golden gun shots from accross the map, and r1 spammed by a bladedancers. Keep on crying kids.
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14 RepliesEdited by Vesra Sul: 10/8/2015 6:36:17 AMI would like to start with Sunbreakers are not OP however their super is. Some may ask how is their super OP but the class itself isn't? Well I'm glad you asked. What makes the Sunbreaker's super OP is that technically 5/6 of it's passive perks pertain to their super and it's precisely that that makes it an under powered class. So sure at the moment Sunbreakers are having a blast dominating Mayhem fa-doonking any super that stands in their way but once Mayhem leaves then what are they left with? A class that can only be fully optimized for maybe 2 or 3 times a match. And if there are any Nightstalkers like me we'll be saving our supers to end those Sunbreakers' good times, basically negating their only purpose. Once people find this out then chances are Trials of Osiris will be filled with Nightstalkers and Defenders (for their suppressing grenade). A large number of you guardians keep saying "Leave sunbreakers alone, they're fine the way they are." As a means to defend them but without realizing it you're jipping (ripping off) yourselves. Sunbreakers don't need a nerf, they need a buff in normal combat abilities. So get your heads out of Mayhem and start thinking towards the future.
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Edited by John6Max4: 10/8/2015 2:00:35 PM[quote]I'll say it before and I'll say it again. The only viable change I'd make to Hammer of Sol is changing it from third-person perspective to first-person perspective. Sunbreakers simply move too fast, have too much health, and their hammers have too much range and blast radius and one-hit kill potential AND to have them be able to quickly turn the camera, know where you are and throw a hammer without even facing you?! Nah son. First-person wouldn't solve all problems but it'd put more factors into Hammer of Sol like getting used to the hammers arc throw and have to only ever see what's directly in front of you like the other ranged super, GG and titans would have to be quicker at acquiring targets while turning in first-person all the while still having to aim their hammers more accurately. So no changes to the hammers. No changes to health. Just make Hammer of Sol first-person. Pretty reasonable for everyone no?[/quote]
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10 RepliesI'm not even going to touch this. I don't care how good someone is at the game. doesn't make their opinion more correct. And yeah I did watch the video. he's salty. heavily skews things for his "argument." What got me was he blamed his obvious miss with a hammer on view kick. I'm only average at the game and even I can tell when someone panicked and messed up. he saw several people and panicked and missed. Plus it doesn't help that a lot of his footage was 3v3. pretty much all roaming supers stomp 3v3. I checked the comment section like you suggested and he's not making any good arguments. "golden gun actually takes skill because you have to aim and shoot. They have to be on your screen." like -blam!- man if having the enemy on my screen makes something fair then i've been looking at balance wrong. "snipers have to one shot the super. period." is when I honestly lost any shred of care. it's a super. they are supposed to be powerful. I think it's absolute crap that you can use a sniper to OHK a super without being in harms way. Bungie must think this as well considering they added range drop off on snipers and basically phased out all high impact snipers from crucible.
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It's not op we are hunters we should stand against it lets show these Titans who is still best stop whining and go into the crucible and win we are still the best even if Titans get a op super we still can do everything better
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20 RepliesEdited by Mad myall: 10/8/2015 11:42:04 PMHammer of sol has travel time + limited range. GG is instant kill has insane aim assist and is hit-scan meaning no infinite travel time. This means you can run away from HOS even if the titan is a veteran and has you in his sites, you need to play smart. If you are spotted by a Hunter in his super and he is mildly good at aiming you are dead. You can't bring up a a few videos where you wreck and say See by my personal anecdote HOS is overpowered. You need numbers and someone did bring numbers showing that HOS out of all the new supers was coming 2nd in crucible in terms of kills despite Sunbreakers having the same population as hunters and warlocks. I also found it funny how you were showing of HOS's abilities and saying how overpowered it is and then run around showing off the Sunsinger and matching the kills as the HOS (sunsinger which has a wider option of grenades most which are arguably better then Sunbreaker) yet you didn't say Sunsinger needs a nerf. edit: spelling
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4 RepliesThis is all Truth... sad thing is... most on here can't handle the truth.
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Edited by MuzzledChimp: 10/8/2015 1:47:21 PMJust wondering why you did not put the time for when you were throwing the hammer. It was 13 sec btw. From 2:26 to 2:39 on the video. And you did not even throw all the hammers you could have. Throwing hammers takes away super energy. Edit: sorry i was watching it without volume but my last point stands.
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5 RepliesWhy is no one complaining about Stormtrance? Last time Rift was the daily I literally had a Warlock chaining lightning from his spawn point across the map to our spawn point! How is that even right?
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Edited by DRAKEVIPER: 10/8/2015 1:29:50 PMSun breaker is like golden gun, but less accurate and can kill more and throw more hammers. Fun class to use thought
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8 RepliesThe vid is invalid, the guy in the vid uses a messenger hes obviously a year one scrub.
