jesus christ .. thanks guys i am so stupid :-) i just looked at the perks and there is nothing noted about full auto there so i expected it has no full auto; therefore ... yeah i havent tried just simply holding the trigger :) now i saw it as well. oh damn ... lets try this in the crucible now. though its not very stable its spread isnt that big like the spread i have on the bad juju. just tested that on a pillar on the dreadnaught until i got disconnected ... somethings wrong with destiny again :-(