I like PvP, but not in this game. I was quite a good BF3 player on the PS3, but the Crucible in this game is boring. It's just a couple players running around a boring small map, all players basically using the same guns cause that's all that needs to happen. No real evidence of team work, or a strategy. The only times I have played it were for bounties, and hated it. As others have said a 2 path option would be way better. Something like 3 heroic strikes in a row without dying, or like the class discipline quests where you have to kill so many with a super in a strike and complete the strike. They are hard enough challenges to warrant being part of an exotic quest, and replacing the crucible. Personally, this game would have been better if there was no crucible, and the focus was purely on the PvE, would have given no excuses for lack of story etc. Greedyvision already have COD for multiplayer games, should have made Destiny a massive RPG online game.