Then what the hell was trials of Osiris supposed to be? [spoiler]It was the answer to pvp players bitching about having to do pve for the best gear.[/spoiler] Seems like the best response here would be to have quests that are fulfilled in crucible and in pve at the same time. If I want an exotic sword and don't want to play pvp letting me have a pve only option is only a good thing. I won't have fun trying to earn it in the crucible, you won't have fun playing with/against me trying to earn it in the crucible, why force both of us into that situation? Unless you are so bad at pvp that the only enjoyment you derive from it is killing people who are terrible at it, at which point your opinion becomes somewhat invalid.