Then why hold bungie to a lower standard than your company you work for? We aren't on the forums for other games. Assassins creed and CoD has had bs for longer but the other games I can't agree with you on. It's hard to say the strengths when so many are tired. ESO changed. This game hasn't. All we got with TTK was what we were promised originally. That is all. They are tired of the lies, they are tired of people saying 'oh it gets better' tired of the same grind, which yes every rpg tends to have. Though usually with a lot more options than destiny provides. For me destiny is like this. I don't know either of the usual people who get insulted, so I judge the company as a whole. Though the few post I did see that were on top, the worst they said was they disliked them. They didn't do their job though, they lied to us. Pro Combat is fun and easy to play. The voice acting is actually good. Ghost(either) debatable though. Armor designs tend to vary Worlds look nice. Lore-Amazing. I love the lore, that meaning the cards. I hate I can't read them in game though. Mostly written by the one who left. Cons Weapons are all just recolors with different abilities. Few give off the look of an exotic. PvP ruins PvE. Exotic limits and weapons/player nerfs that hinder fun come from a non competitive PvP. Grind. Every Rpg has it, good ones make it interesting. Destiny does not. Few strikes end game to keep going back to. Rng. Enough has been said on this but I"m going to add. Rng is how those phone games hook people. They keep saying hey come back for more you can get better. It's not a lie, but it's a stretch of the truth. Worlds-So much is closed off. I have never went into a game with so many rooms blocked by shadows. I wouldn't care if the room was empty. The keeping me from it annoys me. Story-I could tell you but I don't have time to explain why I can't explain. You can't tell me with a straight face that is good story telling. TTK had what we are now shown was going to be the norm. All the cut scenes and dialogue which would of filled the void of Story. It may be rare to you, but I see many people who are understandably pissed off. I don't know what type of company you for but for example. Grocery store-I buy $60 worth of groceries, and only notice after that half the loaf of bread isn't their. That my bag of chips only has five chips. The store says 'sorry but if you spend $40 more you can get all of those, plus a cherry on top.' Of course that seems good, but all I got was what I originally thought I had. Agreed on AC and CoD. Especially AC. CoD at least has a reason to keep doing pvp. Leveling up your char and getting new guns. Destiny sort of kind of not really is like that. Skyrim-100s of hours of unique environments and a fulfilling game on it's own. Mass Effect- I only played two and no dlc, 100s of hours of enjoyment of that to. All the unique and interesting choices I made and how it actually impacted situations. Wticher- I didn't care for it, but the game is like the others. That's the big thing. Destiny year one on it's own, was bad. It was over hyped, over promised, and underwhelming to say the least. Your human, feel free to disagree with me. Only thing I can do is voice my opinion, just as you yourself do.