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10/21/2015 2:07:07 PM
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I totally agree with you on most points, except one thing: Destiny Year One on it's own was bad. I've had loads of fun in the VoG, Crota's End, yyesssssss, even PoE. Destiny Year 2 blew me away... I'm enjoying every second. I'm not sitting there thinking "well gosh darn, this is what it should have been", I'm just enjoying it... Maybe I'm too forgiving, but I'm having too much fun with this stuff to get bothered by would have/could have talk... I get what you're saying, but I've never expected that much from Destiny. I'm fine with DLC giving you new game-mechanics or the 'full experience', that you might expect a single-player game to have in the vanilla version. I'm aware that this is a slippery slope and sounds like fanboy behavior, but I honestly feel Destiny Year 1 was worth the money and Destiny Year 2 was worth the extra money.
Were the examples I named, Skyrim and Mass Effect, better games than Destiny? Yes, story-wise, environment-wise, they were... But gameplay-wise? Immersiveness-wise? The want to get back in the game? No, in that respect Destiny is the best game I've ever played... And that was so in year 1, and has only grown more in year 2..
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How the hell is Destiny immersive? The environment, story, and AI lacked so much life its pathetic. What it has is a 'casino' system for gamblers thus why they come back. As for gameplay, it has the smoothest gunplay i have ever seen but that does not single handily define it as the best gameplay. For one, destiny has many broken mechanics and bugs that break the gameplay. The AI is as intelligent as Halo 2 but with less life. If you consider this game the best YOU have ever played, then you have one shallow pallette for gaming. I, and the majority of people, can easily name a bunch of shooters that are much better than Destiny. Ill name one that absolutely BLOWS Destiny out of the water and I still will play it to this day: Half Life 2. Hell, i still play CS:GO and Team Fortress 2 and i will easily consider those games better than Destiny even when they are multiplayer only. Sorry to tell you, but Destiny has a very long ways to go before it can even be CONSIDERED as the best game ever, let alone the best shooter. And boy do i wish they would just come out with Half Life 3.....
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Edited by Gerhans89: 10/22/2015 7:41:50 AMI've played pc shooters; from Wolfenstein 3d, quake, unreal tournament, battlefield 1942 up to half life, CS:GO, all of the call of duty's. I've played Console shooters; Goldeneye 64, Jet Force Gemini, Perfect Dark, Halo, Far Cry, you name them.... Destiny is the only game that got me hooked for so long. Because of the loot-system? Yes! But I wouldn't give 2 sh*ts about that if the gunplay wasn't so great. And let's be fair, isn't gunplay the most important part of the gameplay in a shooter? I get what you're saying, there are a lot of flaws to Destiny, and I've not said that Destiny is perfect.. To me? It is the best game I've played because of its uniqueness, its gunplay, the lore (poorly executed but to me that just adds to the mystery), the social aspect and the fact that I still here "Led Zeppelin - The Immigrant Song", that was played in the official trailer, when I jump down the Temple of Crota... I've never had more fun playing a video-game than with Destiny and no amount of flaws currently present in the game will change that for me.
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Gunplay goes a bit hand in hand with combat interactions between AI and the player. Controls do not have to be silky smooth to create great gameplay. They just need to be good enough. My opinion, the interactions with enemies are more important and lead to a more immersive and fun gameplay. Ive done entire threads on how to improve AI in this "grindy" game through ability and weapon tables, movesets, and interactions between the enemy. Take Halo for example. The grunts were awesome. They taunted, they threw bunch of grenades when you were behind cover, they ran in fear when their Elite died, they used varying weapons and ability kits, they would whip out grenades and go all kamikaze on you....their combat interactions were great. Destiny needs this badly for its gameplay. To me, Destiny as a whole--minus TTK--feels like an incomplete game.
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I have to give you that, Halo's AI was much better... That sort of AI would indeed make Destiny better. I still don't agree with Destiny year 1 being "incomplete", even so, TTK made it all much better, but I have to give you this... Thanks for the other point of view.
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man i hope you dont ever touch my finances, going on your judgement of value, and business practices you consider to be worth ignoring would make everything you said be massivly questionable
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I would never dare to touch your finances. You seem like a man who'd b*tch about me making you 5k in a year when I prognosed it to have made it for you in 11,5 months.
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I just feel year 2 destiny is what we were promised. I'm also quite a story driven player myself, not so much game play. So it's probably why my focus is on that. I actually didn't get year one until it came on sale for the one so quite a few things were fixed. Like cryptarc I didn't have hopes on it, because I knew of over hype. My friends got it and it wasn't until it became cheaper I joined them. They still play but I'm just worn out of it. I got to lvl 30 and never did the raids. I knew they were intense and fun though. It's that slope to get there I hated. Had Crota and HoW been free, I'd agree it was worth the money. Heck I'd then be ok with TTK price. TTK at most should of been $20, for those who bought the other dlcs. I think that would made a lot of people happier. Of course you want to go back into the game, just like people play those mobile games again and again. I will say when I started to read the lore, holy crap is it amazing. Listening to the people tell it and reading it myself. I would buy a book from bungie with all the card info in it. Organized by races etc. The worst part, when Destiny 2 comes out. It's going to take a lot to get the trust back. That's what I think bothers most people. It's that trust is gone. One thing I can't stand is people don't criticize Bungie, and everyone blames activision. Both have faults. I think if they just came out with 'Look, we messed up.' Just being open with us we could invest in them again. Plus I said before, agreed the gameplay is fun. So was titanfall, and look how that ended up.
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Edited by AffectedAura3: 10/21/2015 2:22:55 PMSorry multi post
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Edited by AffectedAura3: 10/21/2015 2:22:35 PMSorry multi post
