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10/26/2015 3:53:49 PM
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"Approved" by who? You don't see the inherent power in creating an '"approved" definition - being able to decide what something does and does not include? An "approved definition" is inevitably based on the biases and interests of those creating it and is not in any way an objective process. This really does do a great job of addressing that very issue, please do take some time to read it: http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/03/dictionary-definition-racism/ To the point of debating definitions and change them as we see fit - we can, we do, and we have throughout history done exactly that. An innocuous example would be the word "cool". Original definition in regards to temperature, now also commonly used to describe something that's good and/or pleasing. If you pay any attention to the OED, since that seems to be your reference, you'll notice that even they are constantly updating their dictionary, not only adding new words as they come into common usage, but updating definitions as times change. Even the definition you referenced makes a point of noting how the definition has changed over time: "Originally: the state or condition of belonging to the male or female sex; categorization or reference on the basis of sex (now rare); (in later use) prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex." If it can have one meaning that's now rare, and another in later use, there is certainly room for continued change. Some of us are just getting there faster than others.
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  • I have no issues with the word changing at all, I have no issues with anything you are saying in regards of sexism. The only issue I have is the fact the current definition does not exclude based on the parameters that you are adding, if the dictionary definition changed to what you said and took all other words out that contradict it, then I will agree with you but until then the definition is the definition, no mater whether or not is morally right or even fair.

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  • It takes time to change the definition of a word, you can't just decide that you will change the definition and then tell everyone that that is how it is. We clearly have a process in place that allows us to come up with definitions of words, I mean going by your logic we are both right because screw official definitions right? Your definition cannot be held as the right definition until a change happens.

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  • Again, a process defined by who? Who controls the process controls the outcome. When the process is controlled by people with a particular lens, the outcome will reflect it. When you say it takes time, this definition of the words has been around for decades, so exactly how long should it take? I'm operating off of work done by a diverse body of the leading scholars and practitioners of social justice work; you're operating off a definition put forth by a group of white men. Think there might be some systemic reasons we disagree? Holding onto some "official definition" that is a reflection of the oppressive system that created it doesn't help move the world forward. You're welcome to hold on to whatever you want to hold on to, but at least recognize what it is you're holding on to in the process.

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  • You cannot correct someone on a definition when your definition is not correct. That is all I was saying, I'm not saying that we should hold onto the current definition im just saying you were wrong in this one instance of correcting someone

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  • My definition is only incorrect if you place all your faith in a definition created, promulgated, and maintained by an oppressive system. Saying we have to accept it because it's "official" is something I personally find morally unacceptable. However, if that's where you want to stand and argue your point, go right ahead. I think we've accomplished all we're going to here.

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