Im fine with high pitched 2 year olds too young to understand the rating of the game so long as they arent an annoying person... i can deal with the pitch but too often they join and sing, squeal, yell and get frustrated when everyone has been calm and collected in dealing with the child who cant grasp the concept of counter clockwise. Now you personally seem okay because you seem like you arent an idiot and know how to grasp the mechanics of a game. But when destiny has raid mechanics that are as simple as duck, duck, goose and people cant grasp it then i have issues... they could be 12 or 20 but if they are bad, wont listen and refuse to learn... then expect to be yelled at.