LOL ... We made the RAID when we all started to talk like Paki's ...it took us 5 hours first time... And we made it when we were just having a laugh ! But I understand the frustration that drives people mad... but seriously one wipe first try... that is crazy... We asked people to watch video of the strat we used first ...then we explain details we learned from our experience...then we do it... first time fail.... what went wrong... learn from it... but if then the person fails 3 times in a row...its time to replace... But in full honesty... more then HALF our wipes were due to LAG ! This game SUCKS when it comes to LAG, ogers spawning weird... knights appearing out of nowhere ... platforms disappearing ... so many LAG related bugs... FFS Bungie let us see LATENCY to all players ! Or bring dedicated servers ... but I know you are too cheap for that... so make us pay 5 EURO a moth ! I dont mind... let the no payers stay on this laggy piece of shit..