No one but do you remember the sayians trait goku has his base form is now as strong as a ssj3 without the universe destroying powers now. In Dragonball he faught with out ki besides the Kamehameha it shows how much he can take/give out as a kid and that power keeps growing in his base form he uses ki to increase that power for even powerful foes what Is fact is without his powers he still is insanely strong/fast/durable then anyone in destiny. I can just go back to the point of is bullets are killing oryx. You make very good points and seem intelligent on both subjects but stop comparing a being that dies to earth bullets to someone like goku with pure strength destroy planets in base form