[quote]And for the record, i promise you its way higher than 20% that play pvp. Im not saying its as high as pve, but its a lot.[/quote] [url=http://saynotorage.com/2015/03/05/bungie-accidentally-admitted-their-pvp-is-dead/]I promise you, it's not.[/url] And, I brought up PvP because the majority of players [i]in favor[/i] of leaving Y1 behind [i]are[/i] PvP-centric players, who don't seem capable of seeing the [b]whole picture[/b] (PvP [i]and[/i] PvE). So, I've found that if I [i]start[/i] by addressing PvP misconceptions, they're more likely to understand the bigger argument I'm making. I'm not saying that [b][u]I[/u][/b] think PvP should matter that much (because it shouldn't, and I think PvE should take precedence), but trying to explain PvE-specific issues to PvP players just isn't effective. Gotta start somewhere! Haha :P