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11/14/2015 3:30:54 PM
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It's called refugees dude. I'd love to see you needing to flee America only to be denied because no country wants arogant Americans in their country. Is that fair to all Americans? No, but it ensures no arrogant Americans make it to other countries so whats the problem? Refugees are people without a home, they can't just be deported back to a war zone...
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Edited by OurWildebeest: 11/14/2015 3:35:24 PMIt is unlikely these terrorists were refugees. The refugee wave just happened. These people were organized. However, it is irrelevant. If a country wants to refuse refugees for any reason or no reason, it is that country's right. In this case, there is a really good reason: Muslims keep killing people in host countries. But it is OK - keep your head in the sand, this can keep happening, and you can keep making shrill red herring arguments when people keep pointing out the obvious solution.
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When did I say the terrorists were refugees? I'm talking about the majority of people heading into Europe who simply don't want to die. The majority of Muslims coming into these countries are refugees. The majority of people you want to leave and just trying to escape. It's not irrelevant the world needs to be open to refugees, and there need to be international laws protecting them. Where would we be if refugees weren't taken care of? Plenty of genocides would be worse and wars would kill much more civilians. That country should have the good sense to realize the majority of these people need a safe place to live and work with them. A country that denies this just to try to stop something they will never stop is ridiculous. Isis members will always find a way and stopping innocent people from coming will do nothing but put them at risk. That's not a good reason at all, with that logic we should get rid of most guns here considering they are they are always used in school shootings. But you see people talk about it on a person to person basis here. Why not with Isis? It's basically the same situation some people that happen to be affiliated with something kill people and both sides want to get rid of any chance of it happening again. In the case of schools, ban guns, in the case of terrorism ban refugees. And I'm not advocating for guns to be outlawed I'm saying the argument liberals use for gun control is basically the same one you are using for this. To prevent future things from happening we must remove any chance for it to happen. That is not a good strategy at all. Same with war on drugs same basic logic. How exactly is me trying to put you in the shoes of a refugee a red herring fallacy? I'm not changing the subject at all, I'm turning it around on you to see what these refugees face with people like you saying those things. It's still very relevant to your first post. How would you feel if every country didn't want to take you in and were left to the mercy of an invading force? How is getting rid of every Muslim an obvious solution? It's a crack pot solution that will never work. You are simply profiling a group of people because of a few bad eggs. It's like punishing a whole class of kids for one acting up. That is not an obvious answer, there is no obvious answers because this is an extremely complex issue that cant be solved with putting every Muslim on a boat.
