Soldiers sign up for that. The LGBT don't

Trans people are an oppressed minority and are even murdered because of being who they are. The LGBT rights movement is akin to the civil rights movement in every way so it's only logical that we have days dedicated to the remembrance and respect of them. Transgender Remembrance Day, Day of Silence, National Coming Out Day, etc.

Please do not compare the LGBT movement to the civil rights movement. Trans people are not lynched outside of schools in the States, they aren't hunted down like animals in the States. They aren't treated like second class citizens with their own parts of town in South Africa. They are being killed in third world countries, where anybody is fair game to kill based on their beliefs depending on the area. Arab Christians are being killed in the Middle East for who they are, Tibetan Muslims are being killed in Tibet for who they are. Do these groups get their own movements? If you want to remember them on this day so be it. I choose not to. The co-morbidity of severe mental illnesses (schizophrenia and bipolar disorder) in trans people pre and post transition is significantly higher than the rest of the population. The way that gender schizophrenic people deal with it is beneficial to industry as opposed to pyro-schizophrenic people, for example, whose way of dealing with it is detrimental to industry; as such pushing a positive outlook on it is extremely beneficial to industry. If you want to glorify people wanting to change their sex go ahead, I'll treat it as a mental illness and be disappointed that these people who need help are being exploited. Their losses of life, like any other , are worthy of remembrance. I choose to remember them at a different time is all.

[quote]Trans people are not lynched outside of schools in the States, they aren't hunted down like animals in the States. They [/quote]In many places they are and there are trans people that are murdered in the U.S, there are pastors and politicians calling for the death penalty for LGBT individuals. Everyone deserves equality and trans people are no different.

List them.

Iran, Saudi Arabia, several African countries, I know in Russia you can be imprisoned. You can look up the rest.

Oh, I thought we were talking about civilized countries where crimes aren't committed everytime someone breathes.

Crimes happen everywhere but it's important to stand up for oppressed minorities like Trans people.

I absolutely love how you downvote everyone like a little kid throwing a tantrum when someone disagrees with you. lol. How are you expecting anyone to take you seriously do things like that?

The downvote system is there for a reason. I'm abiding by the rules.

I'd guess you were a politician with evading the question like that.

You didn't ask me anything of worth, nor relevance. I don't care what you think of me, I know I'm right about this, I know I'm a good person and I know this forum is infested with terrible people.

So its logical to go against my beiefs because you say so?

Because your beliefs are primitive and this is no longer the 20th century. Society says you should change your beliefs. Where I come from, good luck having friends if you're a bigot.

[quote]Society says you should change your beliefs. Where I come from, good luck having friends if you're a bigot.[/quote] I'm laughing so hard at this. Society says? I don't care what society says. I'm free to choose what I want to do within the law. That's the beauty of the west. I don't want to have friends with the kind of people who blindly follow society and then call those who don't bigots; their ignorance is so profound they don't realize the irony of their name calling or projection.

You're obviously intolerant since 1. You don't think the LGBT rights movement is as important as the civil rights movement 2. You believe trans people are mentally ill which they aren't. Some are but it's often caused by bullying and harassment. 3. You think it's wrong to in your words, "glorify" trans people for coming out and getting the surgery. It's not and people celebrate these people because amid the social risks including harassment and even violence, they come out and are proud of who they are. How are you not intolerant? How are you not closed minded?

[quote]You're obviously intolerant since 1. You don't think the LGBT rights movement is as important as the civil rights movement 2. You believe trans people are mentally ill which they aren't. Some are but it's often caused by bullying and harassment. 3. You think it's wrong to in your words, "glorify" trans people for coming out and getting the surgery. It's not and people celebrate these people because amid the social risks including harassment and even violence, they come out and are proud of who they are. How are you not intolerant? How are you not closed minded?[/quote] 1. It isn't the same. Not one bit. A black person couldn't get a white bakery shut down and out out of business. A black person couldn't have schools question whether or not they should be allowed to used the same washrooms as white people. A black person couldn't have gotten successful white people fired from their jobs for not using the 'correct' language. You're very ignorant of the horrors that the black population faced before, during and even after the civil rights nonevent. The LGBT community is handed things on a silver platter because T why're very effective at complaining and mobilizing ignorant people for their cause. Case and point: Twitter. 2. Look at the research done at co-morbidity of mental illnesses in different subsets of populations. Trans people have a significantly higher rate of co-morbidity. What that means is on average Trans people are more likely to suffer from mental illness than the regular population. I'm not saying all of them are but there is enough reason to believe that there is something on there that should be looked at and we shouldn't allow them to undergo these kinds of procedures willy nilly. These psych evaluation to undergo transition is a joke as most physicians, psychiatrists, and psychologists are afraid of losing their hard earned positions because the Trans people cried about them being ignorant on Twitter for having reasonable cause to prescribe counselling and therapy over transition or as Twitter folk like to call it, ignorance. 3. I don't care if you want to undergo transition or if you want to glorify transition. You go ahead. I won't glorify it because glorifying a person being chained to the pharmaceutical and cosmetic surgery industry for the rest of their life seems backwards, but hey if you want to glorify someone's servitude to those profit driven industries for the rest of their lives you go on ahead. I don't care if you do or if somebody is Trans. You're both human beings and I'll treat you with respect regardless of what I believe. You seem to think I'm close minded. I wonder how many lectures you've gone to that look at the negatives of LGBT? Probably none since there boycotted out of existence before they can happen, very much like men's rights talks, that's mighty open minded of you. Go figure, I suppose if society is against it we don't have freedom of speech. I've been to talks by people undergoing transition and I've done a lot of research into it because I was curious about what undergoing transition is like. I've researched both sides of the argument and have chosen the side I'm on. I was very open minded to what the pro-Trans side has to say. I didn't lap it up because I'm not a sheep who blindly believes what I'm told. I was critical, I did my own research and I arrived at my own conclusions. From those conclusions I derived what I believe. I wonder how willing you'd be to give an unbiased look at the other side, given your down votes and responses so far that answer seems like a resounding no. Please stop projecting your shortcomings onto me. You are the one who is closed minded, not me. You are the one who is bigoted, not me. You are the one who is intolerant, not me.

[quote]I wonder how willing you'd be to give an unbiased look at the other side, given your down votes and responses so far that answer seems like a resounding no. Please stop projecting your shortcomings onto me. You are the one who is closed minded, not me. You are the one who is bigoted, not me. You are the one who is ignorant, not me. [/quote] That's funny, considering I'm the one that supports social equality while you think the LGBT community is less than and not deserving of their own day in their honor, considering what they've gone through. I will never understand the other side because the other side is intolerant of a group of people that have been oppressed for hundreds of years.

I have never once said that they don't deserve a day to be remembered or that their loss life isn't worth it. I've said the opposite. They deserve a day and their loss of life, like any other, is tragic and deserving of remembrance. All I'm saying is I remember them on a different day for the reasons I've given. If you want to remember them on your day, go right ahead. I really don't care. When you start trying to force that day on me is when we have a problem. In my last reply I explicitly stated that I respect Trans people just like any other person. That respect extends to their loss of life. I support that community by bringing attention to the mental wellness aspect of their condition instead of glorifying their transition. One is more popular than the other, the reasons I believe why have been outlined. I don't understand why wanting to delve deeper into the psychological aspect of their condition is a facet of oppression. I condemn any act of violence, oppression or intolerance against any human being.

LET ME HAVE YOUR BABIES. Honestly you put him in his place

[quote]LET ME HAVE YOUR BABIES. Honestly you put him in his place[/quote] Are you talking to me or to them?