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Trials is not the issue. The way Bungie handles complaints from trials is. Fix the problem not the symptom.

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The nerfs in PVE have ruined this games enjoyment for everybody. They've all been for PVP reasons. Favourite, amazing guns are GONE because of pvp children crying for nerfs. They need to do something about this fast. This game could have been legendary.

Haven't played it [spoiler]once[/spoiler] I just think it should be fixed a lot. No mm and you are paired with players who have as many wins as you? Talk about stupid choices.......yeah remove that shit if it stays the same xD

I agree

How about let's not remove trials, and Bungie be smart, play there own damn game, stop listening to the damn nerf babies, and see what's the actual light of what's happening in the game like Hmm...Fusion Rifles IS garbage. But unfortunately it will take them 6 months for them to nerf more weapons than fixing the balance.

I agree with pretty much all of what youre saying. When Destiny first came out it was supposed to be a friendly competitive game. Since the release of ToO the friendly part is disappearing. There are still plenty of people who view the game as I do but the number is slowly dwindling and straight up unfriendliness is worst among hardcore ToO players. Its usually people using a ToO weapon and wearing trials gear that think teabagging is funny when they kill me in crucible. Just a small example. But people acting like this is driving out people we do want around out of sheer frustration. I remember back in year one Id drop into the tower and there would just be some random there waiting to lead me to something that the whole lobby was doing. Ive been in conga lines and dance parties and numerous times had the whole lobby jumping on the fan. not once has this happened to me in year two. No one gives a crap anymore. Why else would they start rewarding people who sherpa newcomers and people who might not be the most skilled? because its so rare now. Good post sir. i wish bungie would listen. oh and to clarify I did post about sunbreaker nerfs but that doesnt count because bungie proved with their own statistics that sunbreakers had a higher average K/d than any other class and it was all a result of HoS. it was truly unbalanced

Bump! Unless we want to keep going down this 'Nerf Mida and everything else that annoyed people in trials last weekend.' Road of ours. Getting old.

Trials is stupid.

[quote]Let me start by saying that I have absolutely nothing against the game mode itself other than its lack of matchmaking, but unfortunately the players who participate in Trials continually destroy the game for everyone else. I know it's a radical suggestion to remove an entire game type because of player behavior, but I'm not sure anyone is going to want to keep playing the shell of a game that Trials players leave the rest of us. The problem is and always will be nerfs. Since Trials inception, it has easily been the single biggest contributor to nerf posts on these forums. - Thorn was essentially erased from this game because of Trials. - Hand Cannons were AR'd because of Trials. - Pulse Rifles just got boned [i]because of Trials[/i]. - Sunbreakers were probably doomed anyway, but the loudest cries for nerfs... Trials. And as bad as all those were, now I'm seeing posts crying that Trials matches aren't fair because of MIDA and Truth. Seriously go find a Chinese hell to burn in if you're going to cry about MIDA and Truth. The point of this game was supposed to be becoming more powerful and finding more powerful and awesome weapons. MIDA has [i]always[/i] been a great counter to any "God weapon" in this game, not because it's OP, but because it's so well balanced and versatile from mid to long range. But rather than find counters like MIDA, rather than grind for your own "God weapons" if you feel you can't compete, rather than get fracking good, we've systematically destroyed every weapon and class that was ever fun in this game. Go shoot a goddamn Fusion Rifle. They're complete garbage. Collateral damage from the constant dicking over of weapons, all to "balance" one stupid PvP mode that almost no one plays. Someone post those pathetic numbers they put up a month or so ago about how few players actually compete in ToO and the infinitesimal number that have actually gone to the Lighthouse. So we're going to have all our weapons ruined in not only PvP, but PvE as well so probably less than 5% of the player base don't cry? I just don't get your thought process here Bungie. I can tell you this though, there's not one reasonable or remotely valid reason to nerf Truth, MIDA or Scouts and if that unbelievably stupid thought crosses Jon Wisnewski's mind then it's time to pull the plug on Trials. And to anyone who enjoys Trials, I'm sorry but there would be no one to blame but yourselves. Better you lose your game mode than be allowed to keep dragging the rest of this game down with your incessant crying for nerfs. EDIT: Just to clarify because I'm being accused of having put up nerf posts [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Topics/0/Default/None/%23realbalanceisnotbalanced]#realbalanceisnotbalanced[/url][/quote]

Jade rabbit > mida

lol the only reason you want matchmaking for this is so it will be easy as -blam!- to reach the lighthouse

Precisely why my hiatus from this game is seemingly becoming more permanent. These forums are plagued with swine who will never cease to cry nerf for any gun that manages to kill them in their goddamn PvP. Bungie really needs to learn...

I only play this game for trials and SRL now so if they remove it I'll probably just move on to another game i like trials for how competitive it is I don't care about making it to the lighthouse I just like shitting on kids and getting hate mail for it

I use an Icebreaker in ToO every week, still a one shot kill if you hit them in the head. Nerfs definitely don't help, but I don't think that they are the issue that you personally are experiencing.

I see what ur saying but we can't just take down a popular playlist. There has to be another solution

I dont play pvp much anymore, but I understand and support the need for pvp events like ToO. My fix for this issue would be that any pvp weapon balancing only affect pvp events! Any pve balancing should only affect pve events. Also, they could create weapons or armor that is only useable in pvp or pve events, respectively.

MIDA wasn't available when Pulse's where an issue. Thorn was ripped from the Meta because they left it behind, not the nerfs. As much as I agree with you, I disagree with you, ToO is the much needed counter to Raids. It gives the hardcore players something to achieve. It is the ONLY thing competitive in Destiny. ToO needs to stay

Just stop playing it :)

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