This. I guess I'm not the only one who appreciates the low rate of fire, high impact LMGs. Actually, I think my favorite right now is my Ruin Wake that is currently equipped on my hunter. The only way it could be better is if it had feeding frenzy. The roll on my Against All Odds is perfect. It's still great for regular crucible. It has counterbalance, perfect balance, and feeding frenzy. It is so deadly, shoots like a laser, and reloading after a kill takes no time at all. Stats on my Against All Odds: RoF: 59 Imp: 61 Rng: 34 Stb: 49 (counterbalance makes it feel even higher) Rel: 30 Mag: 26 My Ruin Wake: RoF: 66 Imp: 53 Rng: 30 Stb: 72 Rel: 25 Mag: 39 My Ruin Wake has 2 less impact than Qullim's Terminus but 12 more range, 9 more reload, and 22 more stability! I'll be using it in Iron Banner unless I get lucky with a better roll before then. I miss using my Against All Odds, but my Ruin Wake feels almost as good. EDIT: I have also equipped my Against All Odds on my warlock. Great memories of this gun.