Ok so you say sniper bullets dont curve Explain this -> http://youtu.be/RCKKvsS9_fw (Btw i checked his sniper and it doesnt have armor piercing rounds)

They are not a big deal in regular 6v6, it's in 3v3 game modes like trials where the imbalance comes into play.

Hey, check out this weapon balancing article. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/183413461/0/0

Same in PvE the Sniper made to much damage in comparsion too other Special or heavy Weapons. At Kingsfall Golgroth i make with the Spindle arround 76k for each hit but the Spindle shoots every secound, with the strongest Heavy Weapon Sleeper Simulant only 115k all 3 secounds. Without Arrow and without WoL. So the Spindle nearly mades the double Damage like the most powerfull Heavy Weapon in the same time. Sorry Guys im not a friend of nerfs but that inbalance is not good and should be changed. If i should solve it. I wouldn't nerf the Snipers. But for this very High Damage per Secound the Snipers should be moved too the Heavy Slot, that would solve that at most. For Heavy Weapon you allways find less Ammo than for Special Weapons, plus in PvP you first need too wait fro sniper Ammo.

Question: Mida and snipers haven't been changed once since the dawn of destiny, why are they all of a sudden so good,( they have the exact same stats as year 1. Stop crying and whining about both of them, maybe if you learnt how to snipe you would do soooo much better. You are only making yourself look bad when you post "Moda way to OP or snipers are way to good" You are making yourself look like re'ards Just go play a different game like cod and use your shotgun over there. Regards FLINCH ATTICUS CHECK OUT YOUTUBE CHANNEL ATTICUS SHOTZ

I know aim assist on snipers dont do much, it benefits scrubby players but barely has effect on good players. Snipers are a HUGE problem though and they need a nerf. Big nerf on handling, zero aim assist and add sway or more recoil when shot at.

[quote]TL;DR [spoiler] 1) statistically speaking, snipers and shotguns are balanced in 6v6. 2) sniper rifles dominate 3v3 activities. 3) availability of special weapon ammo needs to be adjusted for 3v3 and free-for-all. [/spoiler] Anyone else tired of all these conjecture posts about snipers being over powered? What I see is “snipers are OP due to aim assist (curves bullets, aims for you), no sway, quick scopes and therefore every kill is not skill, but a function of a game mechanic.” [b]Aim Assist [from the “experts”]:[/b] [spoiler: it's not what you think] [spoiler] Planet Destiny: How Helpful is Hidden Hand? What is Aim Assistance? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1WIVLXxfPFM Jon Weisnewski [BUNGIE] Explains Range, Aim Assist, & Accuracy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkK9OagUnY [/spoiler] If aim assist isn’t aiming for us or curving our bullets, how are snipers overpowered? I think it’s the power of perception and a Reddit user (Pwadigy) wrote an amazing article with what I think nails the topic head on. [b]Article:[/b] https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3w7o1g/on_snipers_being_overpowered_perception/ Now, in that article is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen: a link to GUARDIAN.GG, a website that allows users to view weapon stats across crucible game modes. Here is the link: PSN: https://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2015-12-15&end=2015-12-23&mode=10&activity=0 Xbox Live: https://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=1&start=2015-12-15&end=2015-12-23&mode=10&activity=0 [b]What does this show us?[/b] It shows, that in 6v6 crucible game modes, shotguns are the dominate secondary (counting for 14% of kills) with snipers slightly below (12% of overall kills). In 3v3 it shows us sniper rifles are by far and away the most lethal weapon period (Trials = 36%, Skirmish = 21%, Elimination 38%). It also shows that side arms and fusion rifles need some love... [b]What does this mean?[/b] I think it means that 6v6 crucible game modes are balanced. I think it also means that 3v3 game modes are heavily decided on the availability of special weapon ammo. Rumble is also heavily decided by special weapons where shotguns net 19% of all kills (snipers net somewhere aroun 7%). But don’t take my word for it! Click on the link and see for yourself!!! [b]Possible fix?[/b] Maybe snipers could stand to have a small amount of sway; seems reasonable, but I say leave the weapons alone for now and take a look at special weapon ammo in 3v3 and free-for-all game modes. What isn’t constructive is coming up with phantom notions about aim assist. Get to the heart of the problem. Edit: I have updated the given link to GUARDIAN.GG to reflect December 15-23 and added a link for PSN and Xbox Live (because they are different). Update it accordingly. Pay "special" attention to the special weapons category. Notice 1000-Yard Stare at the top and Conspiracy Theory-D below it. Also notice that list consists of "top 10" weapons: PSN: 6 shotguns, 3 snipers and 1 fusion. XBL: 7 shotguns, 3 snipers and .... Compare the percentage differences between the three most used shotguns to snipers and the amount of shotguns listed.[/quote] This graph of elimination mode kills in the last week pretty much says it all. Snipers are a primary weapon now. Everything else is backup. http://postimg.org/image/e13p9fq7l/

Excellent post, DS. I'll revisit when I have more time.

Bump. If anyone has used no land beyond the sights move when you walk (unlike all other snipers which stay perfectly level) i think more snipers should have the reticle move like nlb

There shouldn't be sway since headshots are the only time snipers are a one hit kill. Here are the reasons people think snipers are OP. They only see snipers because shotguns and fusions got nerfed into the ground, so snipers are better by comparison. 1000 Yard Stare is the only good sniper for PvP. Yes others can be used, but 1k stare is the perfect archetype, like LDR, Her Benevolence, Longbow Synth. In Y2 1k stare is the only sniper type of it's kind that's a legendary.

Snipers bullets does curve in PvP, I have seen my 1KYS hit the wall and still registered as a headshot

In your edit saying "notice conspiracy and 1K Starr at the top" is a bit..bias. The availability of those weapons is far far easier than any other Sniper and Shotgun in game, ever. They're easy to get and come with a good roll, so many players don't drop it for anything.

I do think ADS on Snipers needs alot more flinching than there currently is. It should disrupt it so they still cant always pull off the headshot. That qould probally be all that is needed to reduce the kills from snipers imo.

The problem isn't snipers, it is the lack of a mid-range option. Fusion Rifles used to be that option but have become useless in PVP.

I'm still where I was but good stuff. Jack up flinch. Drop aim assist to make drag scoping a skill instead of twitch reflex and no starting with special ammo

A bumpity-bump to keep this trending...

"What does this mean? I think it means that 6v6 crucible game modes are balanced. I think it also means that 3v3 game modes are heavily decided on the availability of special weapon ammo. Rumble is also heavily decided by special weapons where shotguns net 19% of all kills (snipers net somewhere aroun 7%). But don’t take my word for it! Click on the link and see for yourself!!!" If this was true you must tell me why now there are match like 3 vs 5, 4 vs 2 etc etc Because there are to many snipers around. The fact they get that type of perks, allow them to kill you even from the other side of the planet. And this isnt pvp.