It's fine, I understand. It's my duty as the theorist to fully explain my theory. It think the nine are the nine but the jovians are taking care of their 4 sick siblings for now. Saturn didn't intervene more than it had to. I think the nine are unable to forge the ninth planet themselves so they want only the strongest side to seal the ninth world. they only make boundaries for the two champions to battle in and move them as necessary. In other words, we're all pawns. there is a card that says. [quote]The Nine are the aspects of the Darkness, broken by the Traveler's rebuke, working to destroy us from within.[/quote] Now the card talks about possibilities of the what the nine are but this talks more about their powers. Though I'm not so sure there're trying to destroy us, else xur wouldn't be here. How xur is made, uncertain. Using cells from multiple different things could be their powers, remember if they do draw from the deep and/or the sky then we know they have the same capabilities as the traveler and Oryx.