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1/7/2016 1:32:01 AM
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Why not just give us back the regular timer? Like you said, it's exotic for a reason.
Does Helm of Saint14 decrease Ward of Dawn time? Nope.
Do the Purifier Robes decrease Radiance time? Nope.
[b][i]GIVE US THE PROPER SYMBIOTE HELMET BACK!!![/i][/b]
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Edited by Erijian: 1/7/2016 3:50:46 AMThose are poor Exotics to compare the Symbiote to..None of those ensured a fourth kill with your Super nor outclassed any other Exotic for the respective Subclass in PvP.
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The Symbiote [b]DOES NOT[/b] ensure a fourth kill. And if you want better examples.. Immolation Fists. Celestial Nighthawk. Impossible Machines. Perrigrine Greaves. Mask of the Third Man The Ram. No Backup Plans. My point is, all of these exotic armor pieces [b]ADD[/b] a boost to their respective subclass' super charge without any negative effects. The only exception [b][i]might[/i][/b] be the Nighthawk because, although its GG shot is 6x more powerful, there's only one.
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Edited by Erijian: 1/7/2016 4:34:06 AMIt DID ensure a fourth kill, so long as you could find a fourth person back before it was nerfed. Immolation Fists offers a situational perk from the skill tree; Explosive Pyre alone isn't strong enough to justify nerfing Hammer of Sol. Celestial Nighthawk has its obvious tradeoff, being one shot like you stated. Impossible Machines offers a situational perk from the skill tree..But is pretty much the only Stormcaller Exotic around right now which is probably why it's overused. I can see an argument as to why it's too strong, though. Mask of the Third Man hardly benefits Arcblade after testing; it doesn't need a tradeoff really The Ram, No Backup Plans, and Peregrine Greaves don't even relate to a Super ability whatsoever. The Ram gives Voidwalker Melees Life Steal and +3 armor (Was nerfed with TTK due to being the only viable Warlock option), No Backup Plans activate Force Barrier on a Shotgun kill which CAN synergize with Ward of Dawn but isn't solely there to benefit it, and Peregrine Greaves buff Shoulder Charge when used in the air..Which isn't even a Super ability. -Edited for clarity-
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You're right about the Perrigrines, The Ram, and the Backups. Those are bad examples for the super argument, but still convey what I'm getting at. They give without taking. However when you say 'situational', talking about something like the Impossible Machines, that's the exact same thing the Symbiote is. Situational. The vast majority of the time, you don't get to fire off that fourth shot unless you're lucky. Hell, more often than not you don't get the standard three shots GG provides. And the Mask of the Third Man is spectacular, and also situational. I've seen players wipe entire teams and get one or two more from roaming. It's about the perk set up though.
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Helm of Saint 14 actually does decrease time... So yea
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As a Defender Titan main since Beta, Helm of Saint 14 does not decrease how long your bubble lasts.
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Where did you get that information?
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Knowledge I've learned from playing with randoms, could be wrong but it does feel so
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Yeah I'm not sure that's correct bro. I don't think it decreases time. I looked it up to make sure I wasn't being derpy. The Y1 and Y2 versions don't say anything about decreasing time.
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Do they provide an extra bubble or another super right after popping Radiance? [b][b][u]NOPE[/u][/b][/b]
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Edited by Wicked: 1/7/2016 3:28:26 AMThey still provide the buff to their respective supers without adding a nerf, don't they? Yep, they do. When you use the Impossible Machines for Storm Caller, they don't cut the range or chaining ability do they? The Immolation Fists for Sun Breaker doesn't remove tracking, or kill proximity det do they? The Crest of Alpha Lupi doesn't add a respawn timer that increases in time after each death, does it?
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Edited by Lilrooster156: 1/7/2016 5:07:08 AMCrest doesn't provide any sort of class bonus. In certain situations dieing repeatedly does add more time to the revive timer. Immolation Fists were bugged. Explosive Pyre would not trigger. Not sure if they are still bugged. Tracking on hammers is and has always been useless. I already think that using Landfall should take some of the super. Getting an extra Golden Gun shot is making the easiest to use most lethal super even more so. Why would you expect to get that for free? Aside from Impossible Machines none of the exotics you mentioned gave an extra charge or use to a super.
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Edited by Wicked: 1/7/2016 4:47:55 PM[b]BRO.. MY POINT IS, ALL OF THE OTHER EXOTICS ADD WITHOUT TAKING AWAY.[/b] Why is it so fuçking difficult to understand?? Regardless of explosive pyre being bugged, it still buffs the super without giving it a nerf. The Crest of Alpha Lupi [b][i]does not[/i][/b] increase the amount of time it takes before you can revive another player after multiple deaths. The only increase to the spawn timer comes from game modes that have it. i.e. trails, elimination, nightfall. And I'm not talking about a specific super charge buff with the Crest, I'm just saying there's a pro with no con. And every other example I used, whether or not it buffs the[b][i]super[/i][/b] or not, still gives the respective subclass using it a buff without taking anything away.
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They don't add extra an charge though. Using Crest is a bad example. That doesn't buff anything besides time it takes to revive someone. The only situations where it useful are ones where the more you die the longer the respawn timer. Immolation Fists don't work. They don't add anything other than looks. I already said that Landfall should take some of the super. Why would I think that getting another Golden Gun shot be any different? How Symbiote is now is how it should've been from the begining. There isn't an exotic for any other subclass that does what Aclyophage Symbiote does for Gunslinger. The other exotics unlock perks. They don't give another hammer or increase the duration of the super. Symbiote isn't the same as the other exotics.
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You really just don't understand the argument..
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You dont understand how powerful having a fourth shot is. You're complaining about the decreased timer while using the helm. You feel that other subclass specific exotics don't "nerf" the super or some other aspect of the subclass so Symbiote shouldn't decrease the timer. What I'm saying is there isn't a similar enough exotic that it can be compared to to make what you're saying fair. Having a fourth Golden Gun shot with almost no downsides is incredibly powerful. "We had to give up our exotic slot!" There was no Gunslinger exotic that compared to the Symbiote. You weren't giving up much.
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Do you know how rare it is to use that fourth shot? Do you know how rare it is to get to use the third shot even? With the pace of PvP in Destiny the likelihood of actually using that fourth shot or even getting [i]four kills[/i] is rare. The 9ish seconds GG is active is almost always to short already, because of the pace of engagements and skill of the players. I understand why the timer was cut. And I would be fine with it the super charge lasted like, 12 seconds. But it's already less than 10. If you're in a game with skilled players, by the time you've activated GG, the engagement area has already shifted. Now you need to run to find it. When you do, there's only two enemies. By the time you find a third the time has run out, [b][i]if[/i][/b] you didn't miss once trying to kill the two people you found. GG's timer is already too short. Cutting it further seriously handicapped it.
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If it's rare too use the third shot, why are you upset about not having enough time to use the fourth. It isn't that rare to be able to use all three. I didn't have a problem with it while using my Hunter for Iron Banner. I regularly see Hunters in the games I play easily use all three shots and get three kills. Regular Golden Gun timer is 11.78 seconds.
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Yep, you're right.
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Edited by HD-TMR: 1/7/2016 3:01:15 AMBut were they Perfectly fine in year 1 but were nerfed for an unjustified reason? Do they have 0 Extra Armor on their super?
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This guy has the perfect example! ^
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Sure about that?
