Thats where this game is at though. Before when thorn was completely broken and destroyed crucible you wouldnt see someone complain about it while using because, it's contradiction to what they're talking about. Saying its OP or needs to get changed is another thing, but calling them out and saying they are trash or bad at the game is different. If this post was more about fixing them other than putting the people that use them down i would understand, but thats not what this post is about.