It's nothing more than a panic button. A goddamn panic button.
It requires literally ZERO skill to kill people with it. You simply press a button and everyone around you dies in less than a second. Once the animation has been initiated, the only way to stop it is if you have a super, three rocket launchers, or a dozen shotguns already aimed at the guy. No other super activates that fast, so unless you have one already active, and are aiming at them, you've got pretty much no freaking chance of stopping it.
What the hell are you supposed to do? Stay away from all titans at all times just in case one might have it ready? Killing a Titan before he has the chance to press the button doesn't work, as he'll simply have it ready the next time he respawns. It's simply not feasible to kill a Titan after the button's been pressed unless he's already severely wounded.
Why the hell is it that whenever this is brought up on the forums, everyone jumps to its defense?
The striker subclass is supposed to be unstoppable, I get it. What I don't like is how no other class has a super that's that goddamn effective. No other class has a super that, once activated, guarantees that everyone around you will die unless they either happen to have a super capable of killing you already active, or they have a fist of havoc that they can also use to survive the explosion.
I know that these forums has a severe allergic reaction to the word "nerf", but I really think that Fist of Panic deserves it. At least make it so that in PVP it requires a second to charge before detonating, making their window of vulnerability slightly larger.
"Press a button to instantly kill everyone around you." is OP in the crucible even amongst supers. It simply can't be countered by anything because once it's activated, you've got less than a second to react, which is not enough time to do anything capable of stopping it.
Either give us a more time to counter it, or give the other classes a super each that is equally unstoppable.
[b]To everyone who will inevitably side with the super and insult me in the comments below, I genuinely want to know how you can justify this. Every super has a bane, a weakness, except this one. GG has no armor and can easily be shut down, WoD can be countered by simply staying away from the bubble or blowing it up with another super, Stormcaller is easily noticable and thus gives players a chance to react and flee from it. Fist of Havoc has no weakness. If you're in range when it's activated, you will die.. If you disagree, I challenge you to explain a reliable method of not dying when you're in range of an incoming panic fist.[/b]
Seriously, the only ways a FoH could actually NOT kill people is if they somehow belly flopped off the map, chose to waste it when there were no enemies around, or if they chose to belly flop at someone who already had GG aimed at them ready to fire. Also if someone reacted by activating their own belly flop so the armor would protect them, but that's assuming they're a titan and also have a ready-to-activate FoH.
All of the above can be avoided with even the slightest bit of competence and should not be considered "weaknesses" of the super.
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It's possible to blink away
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Let me lay this out for you simply, so you're sure to understand: High risk/High reward supers: Golden Gun, Tether, Arc Blade, Hammer of Sol, Radiance, and Storm Trance. Low risk/Low reward supers: Nova Bomb, Fist of Havoc, and Ward of Dawn. You can get four or five kills with most of the high risk supers. Nova Bomb and Fist of Havoc you get two to three kills, tops. And that's if you're lucky, skilled, and the enemy team is made up of morons. Here's a word of advice from an experienced crucible player, who utilizes the Warlock and Hunter above all else. When you see a charging Titan eating bullets to come toward you instead of firing a gun, he plans to (A) Shoulder Charge you or (B) Fist of Havoc you. You BACKPEDAL. Revolutionary idea, I know. Have a great day.
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Blink
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Jump. Bitch hunters can quad Jump or warlocks can blink or glide.
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No, the last thing that need nerfs are the arc and void Titan subclasses. Fist of Havoc does its job. Beats anything stupid enough to get close to a charging player. Fist of Havoc just seals the punishment. It's easy to counter it. It's called preventing it.
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Jump up and away
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You counter it with shadestep, twilight garrison, or blink ti dodge it
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first its the sunbreakers now strikers well at least i have defender with no back up plans and invective but that will probably get nerfed too
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Cry baby .....
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Oh look, another hunter crying about another class' super. Muted
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The weakness is you must be close and it's a one time thing. All the hunters super are used repeatedly before running out. The warlocks have two that are used over time and one that is a single instance (nova bomb) but it has range. Furthermore having landfall on a lightning warlock works the same way as the Titan smash but with slightly smaller radius, then they get to keep on killing. As to how to shut it down I'm almost exclusively a Titan and believe me shotguns shut it down all the time. They tend to use it on large groups of individuals, so you have a large group (3-4) all focusing fire it is over quickly.
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As a person who mains a hunter I have to say that I disagree with u. As a one time use super, FoH is in my opinion SUPPOSED to be super strong, activate on a hair trigger and kill super fast. We hunters have a subclass that can literally hit from a mile away (GG) with deadeye. We also have roaming supers so if used competently, we can rack up consistent multikills with our supers. I believe that some would call that unfair so stop complaining because I'm sure there r an equal number if not more people salty about us hunters. If a Titan manages to get more than a single kill with FoH I think they deserve it. As other people have mentioned, these are SUPERS. Get used to being killed by a super or ur really gonna hate pvp.
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The radius is actually quite small. Best trick is if you see a Titan rushing towards you, move away and shoot at the same time
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It's a one shot hit or miss super. I'd sooner say Stormtrance potentially nets more kills than Fist of Havoc. No reason to cry about it. It's not like the subclass has anything too special going for it anyway. If the Titan sees a bunch of idiots huddled together like swine then of course he'd jump to the opportunity to eradicate them all. It's their fault for huddling together. As for panicking, what's one kill? Just be glad the fool no longer has his super because he decided to extinguish on you lol.
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Your not? Because it's a super? How they choose to use their super is up to them?
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Fist of Havocs weakness is its a one and done super. Unless you are an idiot and run back into the aftershocks immediately after respawning, there is absolutely no possible way to be killed by the same Fist of Havoc twice. It's not mobile. Therefore it is fine having massive survivability and lethality.
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How to counter it? Dont stay in the range of it.
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I got bored in the first 10 seconds of this post *yawns*.kid go post this on your mom refrigerator so you can look at this everyday and feast upon what you have done.....peace
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You have to get close to a group of enemies who are all too -blam!-ing stupid to not stand next to each other in PvP.
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Coming from someone who doesn't even have a titan.... seriously..... come on now let's not cry just cause the striker touched you in a bad place during crucible when you weren't aware of your surroundings
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Edited by mAtt378: 1/24/2016 1:17:08 AMSimple. Don't play the game
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[quote]Every super has a bane, a weakness, except this one. [/quote] If you are panic fisting one person, maybe. But if you are trying to use it effectively, as in on multiple opponents, the bane is you have to get within SHOTGUN RANGE (against said multiple opponents) to use it. This is a friendly rebuttal, but I would recommend making a titan and trying the super out yourself before you cry nerf. It takes a little patience, timing, and then the proper amount of hanging it out there to use well. Get back to us after you try it a few times.
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Only super tht cant be sniped out of
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Blink away. Not up. But backwards.
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I will say that the vertical reach of fist of panic is kind of silly.
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Nova bomb says hello